Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Harry]

And how does this fit with Dr Vanezis who said both shots happened within a few seconds?

Those people are not infallible. Dr Martyn Ismail according to the 2002 Court of Appeal judges, said that the photographs prove that Bamber moved Sheila's body after she was killed. These photographs prove that the police moved her body.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=162716#p162700

[JackiePreece]

Those people are not infallible. Dr Martyn Ismail according to the 2002 Court of Appeal judges, said that the photographs prove that Bamber moved Sheila's body after she was killed. These photographs prove that the police moved her body.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=162716#p162700

I agree they're not unflappable but for your theories to hold up would require the evidence of two doctors to be wrong, Craig and Vanezis.

Ismail was for the prosecution and would just go along with police procedure that nothing should be moved and his evidence would be on this basis.

I think the police moved Sheila.  We can agree on that Harry and on this note I must bid you goodnight my friend.

[Caroline]

Those people are not infallible. Dr Martyn Ismail according to the 2002 Court of Appeal judges, said that the photographs prove that Bamber moved Sheila's body after she was killed. These photographs prove that the police moved her body.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=162716#p162700

They prove nothing of the sort, they were taken at a different angle. However, I would be interested to know why people believe that EP would move Sheila's body a few inches in between photographs?

[Caroline]

You're the brains with spatial awareness and a degree in psychologies you tell me?

Well yes, psychology might help me understand why you think PH would lie about being a police officer because it says more about you than it does him. I suggest you contact him yourself - I'm sure he would be overjoyed to hear from you.

[Caroline]

Not if Sheila was accidentally shot after Dr Craig's examination.

The blood around her mouth was DRIED when he saw her and he pronounced her DEAD. He described ALL of the deceased as having only one shot. He just needed a cause of death - he wasn't doing a full examination.

[Steve_uk]

Can someone answer this please.  I haven't seen it discussed anywhere previously.

Well I'm sorry I'm not ShonaDogs, but Sheila showed all the symptoms of being overdosed on medication and under these circumstances her passivity can be explained. I don't recognize and have never read in any of the literature that she had arguments with anyone those final few days; rather the opposite in that she seemed withdrawn, though took the twins a walk in the grounds and chatted with Jeremy whilst the twins climbed up onto the tractor for the last time.

[John]

They prove nothing of the sort, they were taken at a different angle. However, I would be interested to know why people believe that EP would move Sheila's body a few inches in between photographs?

Sheila had to be moved very slightly to check for signs of life.  Normal procedure.

The only reason her hands moved in between photos is most probably because they had to move them in order to get detailed shots of her.

The precarious way in which her arm lay on her nightdress lends itself to the real possibility that it slipped down due to the vibration of all those cop boots on the bedroom floor and had to be put back. If you compare the photos above you will see that the bottom of the nightie adjacent the socks is tucked in more in one photo.

[lookout]

I've heard everything now. Vibration of boots that shifted the position of her nightdress-----oh dear.
Was it a march-past or something ? What exactly would they have been doing to be clumping around when 5 people lay dead ?
Why were such an amount of cops needed,apart from to ruin the outcome of a crime scene ? Which they did ! Obviously any footprints found would have been theirs !

[JackiePreece]

Well yes, psychology might help me understand why you think PH would lie about being a police officer because it says more about you than it does him. I suggest you contact him yourself - I'm sure he would be overjoyed to hear from you.

I haven't read his book but I understand he claims he interviewed 3 police officers who were all deceased at the time of publishing.  Same for Jeremy's trial lawyer.  There's no way of knowing whether these interviews actually took place.  It seems a bit to much of a coincidence that no one he claims to have interviewed is actually alive to confirm or deny.  If he lied about this then why not lie further and say he was a police officer which would give him a bit of cudos as a crime writer. 

He was intending to make a film about the case do you know if he's still going ahead with this?  And if so will you be assisting him?

As you know I was once closely involved with Mark Williams Thomas who was going to produce a documentary about Jeremy's case until the hormonally imbalanced women on the campaign team went on a mad rampage.  Note how Sarah Hanover and Laura Lake haven't appeared on any of these ridiculous vlogs.  They're happy for others to make complete fools of themselves like Trudi Benjamin.  When Bob Woffinden and Paul Harrison got in touch with the campaign team they started off as innocent or neutral and ended up guilty.  When I was in contact with Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay they started off innocent and as far as I know they're still innocent.  The campaign team have done more than anyone to keep Jeremy behind bars.  They are absolutely useless.

I would say my greatest strength is bringing the right people together to create something truly extraordinary  !

[Caroline]

I haven't read his book but I understand he claims he interviewed 3 police officers who were all deceased at the time of publishing.  Same for Jeremy's trial lawyer.  There's no way of knowing whether these interviews actually took place.  It seems a bit to much of a coincidence that no one he claims to have interviewed is actually alive to confirm or deny.  If he lied about this then why not lie further and say he was a police officer which would give him a bit of cudos as a crime writer. 

He was intending to make a film about the case do you know if he's still going ahead with this?  And if so will you be assisting him?

As you know I was once closely involved with Mark Williams Thomas who was going to produce a documentary about Jeremy's case until the hormonally imbalanced women on the campaign team went on a mad rampage.  Note how Sarah Hanover and Laura Lake haven't appeared on any of these ridiculous vlogs.  They're happy for others to make complete fools of themselves like Trudi Benjamin.  When Bob Woffinden and Paul Harrison got in touch with the campaign team they started off as innocent or neutral and ended up guilty.  When I was in contact with Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay the started off innocent and as far as I know they're still innocent.  The campaign team have done more than anyone to keep Jeremy behind bars.  They are absolutely useless.

I would say my greatest strength is bringing the right people together to create something truly extraordinary.

I have no idea what PH is doing but I would guess he's moved on from Jeremy Bamber.

Something truly extraordinary eh? And yet he's still incarcerated, SM is no longer involved and MWT seems to be just a name that you mention frequently - we don't know if either of them are still Jeremy supporters or if they ever were. They simply had a job to do.

Although I must add. I agree that the CT are useless.

[Steve_uk]

I haven't read his book but I understand he claims he interviewed 3 police officers who were all deceased at the time of publishing.  Same for Jeremy's trial lawyer.  There's no way of knowing whether these interviews actually took place.  It seems a bit to much of a coincidence that no one he claims to have interviewed is actually alive to confirm or deny.  If he lied about this then why not lie further and say he was a police officer which would give him a bit of cudos as a crime writer. 

He was intending to make a film about the case do you know if he's still going ahead with this?  And if so will you be assisting him?

As you know I was once closely involved with Mark Williams Thomas who was going to produce a documentary about Jeremy's case until the hormonally imbalanced women on the campaign team went on a mad rampage.  Note how Sarah Hanover and Laura Lake haven't appeared on any of these ridiculous vlogs.  They're happy for others to make complete fools of themselves like Trudi Benjamin.  When Bob Woffinden and Paul Harrison got in touch with the campaign team they started off as innocent or neutral and ended up guilty.  When I was in contact with Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay they started off innocent and as far as I know they're still innocent.  The campaign team have done more than anyone to keep Jeremy behind bars.  They are absolutely useless.

I would say my greatest strength is bringing the right people together to create something truly extraordinary  !

Gosh we agree on more than one thing..

[JackiePreece]

Well I'm sorry I'm not ShonaDogs, but Sheila showed all the symptoms of being overdosed on medication and under these circumstances her passivity can be explained. I don't recognize and have never read in any of the literature that she had arguments with anyone those final few days; rather the opposite in that she seemed withdrawn, though took the twins a walk in the grounds and chatted with Jeremy whilst the twins climbed up onto the tractor for the last time.

That doesn't matter Steve.  You are you and Shona is Shona.  I like you both and you are both very entertaining on the forums.  You write beautiful posts and Shona is very funny.

Colin said Sheila was very highly strung and during arguments she would become very violent

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1560.0;attach=7385

Freddie said Sheila had a very quick and violent temper

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159.0;attach=214

Perhaps Sheila was ok and then something happened or something was said that made Sheila very angry but not psychoses?  Is this possible? 

Caroline has a degree in psycholgies and good spatial awareness she might know?

[Caroline]

That doesn't matter Steve.  You are you and Shona is Shona.  I like you both and you are both very entertaining in the forums.  You write beautiful posts and Shona is very funny.

Colin said Sheila was very highly strung and during arguments she would become very violent

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1560.0;attach=7385

Freddie said Sheila had a very quick and violent temper

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159.0;attach=214

Perhaps Sheila was ok and then something happened or something was said that made Sheila very angry by not psychoses?  Is this possible? 

Caroline has a degree in psycholgies and good spatial awareness she might know?

No.

[JackiePreece]

No.

I appreciate we don't have a degree in psychologies and good spacial awareness but are you able to explain why not rather than just a "No"?

[Steve_uk]

That doesn't matter Steve.  You are you and Shona is Shona.  I like you both and you are both very entertaining in the forums.  You write beautiful posts and Shona is very funny.

Colin said Sheila was very highly strung and during arguments she would become very violent

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1560.0;attach=7385

Freddie said Sheila had a very quick and violent temper

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159.0;attach=214

Perhaps Sheila was ok and then something happened or something was said that made Sheila very angry by not psychoses?  Is this possible? 

Caroline has a degree in psycholgies and good spatial awareness she might know?

Well it's true when Barbara Wilson rang she said she thought she had interrupted an argument. But I doubt Sheila had any strength left after the weekend parties and Auntie Pam's telephone call which came half an hour after Barbara's tends to confirm this.