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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1065 on: June 03, 2016, 08:57:PM »
Well perhaps you should have thought about how the impact of the rifle on the poor man's skull would cause blood spatter.

As I said there wouldn't be any spurting because of Nevills first injuries and the changes in the body to do with blood pressure.  There's no blood marks on the furniture or Aga or Walls or anywhere.  If you disagree you find me please the marks in the photos. 
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« Reply #1066 on: June 03, 2016, 09:03:PM »
The Jeremy supporters want it all ways so much the story becomes a gross distortion of what took place that August morning. It is incredible that there is a purported telephone call from Nevill which has to happen before he is injured and impossible for Sheila to have accomplished all that was ascribed to her. So what if there's blood on Sheila's feet anyway: she was walking to her death on a bloodied carpet all of her brother's making.

Those photos don't look like Sheilas feet to me.  Sheila had beautiful digits. 

Did Nevill and June have any blood on they're feet? 
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« Reply #1067 on: June 03, 2016, 09:04:PM »
If Sheila committed the murders Neville rang before he was shot, its that's simple and perfectly plausible. What is interesting that during Nevill's alleged phone call to Jeremy he mentions Sheila having the gun not that she had shot anyone.

This actually corroborates the crime scene. And in my opinion Jeremy is not at all smart enough to be that forensically aware to orchestrate such detail. If he is guilty its just another thing that's happened to fall in place in his favour, if he did think of it he would have mentioned it  :-\
But it was very unlikely Nevill would telephone his son to assuage the situation. He was a businessman and used to dealing with matters of his own volition. It's just one more fact which doesn't ring true in the cold light of day.

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« Reply #1068 on: June 03, 2016, 09:08:PM »
As I said there wouldn't be any spurting because of Nevills first injuries and the changes in the body to do with blood pressure.  There's no blood marks on the furniture or Aga or Walls or anywhere.  If you disagree you find me please the marks in the photos.

Sorry Jackie, when did you qualify in forensic science? The pictures aren't clear enough to detect small spattering and the wounds on Nevill's head are on the opposite side to the aga. The killer couldn't fail to get some blood on himself! Now I wonder where the towels went in Jeremy's bathroom?  ::)
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« Reply #1069 on: June 03, 2016, 09:09:PM »
If Sheila committed the murders Neville rang before he was shot, its that's simple and perfectly plausible. What is interesting that during Nevill's alleged phone call to Jeremy he mentions Sheila having the gun not that she had shot anyone.

This actually corroborates the crime scene. And in my opinion Jeremy is not at all smart enough to be that forensically aware to orchestrate such detail. If he is guilty its just another thing that's happened to fall in place in his favour, if he did think of it he would have mentioned it  :-\

I think you're being kind saying Jeremy is not forensically aware.  I call a spade a spade and I would say he's on the fick side. 
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« Reply #1070 on: June 03, 2016, 09:17:PM »
Had Nevill ever telephoned any of his children ever in his life? He was a self-made man, remote from his children who sent Sheila off mid-term to Moira House and thought the cadet force at Gresham's might toughen up his son. Yet unbeknownst to himself he had become psychologically pained by the death of his sister Diana and imprisoned in a time warp existence as he flicked through past theatre programmes, which reminded him of a happier bygone era. True he was aware of external appearances which kept his wife's illness secret and Sheila and Jeremy cloistered from the outside world for so long, but he was the boss, the paterfamilias who prided himself on his autonomy and self-reliance. He would have dealt with Sheila that night face to face, gun or no gun.
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« Reply #1071 on: June 03, 2016, 09:19:PM »
If Sheila committed the murders Neville rang before he was shot, its that's simple and perfectly plausible. What is interesting that during Nevill's alleged phone call to Jeremy he mentions Sheila having the gun not that she had shot anyone.

This actually corroborates the crime scene. And in my opinion Jeremy is not at all smart enough to be that forensically aware to orchestrate such detail. If he is guilty its just another thing that's happened to fall in place in his favour, if he did think of it he would have mentioned it  :-\

Well it would do, given that he told the story and staged the scene to fit it!  ::) ::)
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« Reply #1072 on: June 03, 2016, 09:19:PM »
Sorry Jackie, when did you qualify in forensic science? The pictures aren't clear enough to detect small spattering and the wounds on Nevill's head are on the opposite side to the aga. The killer couldn't fail to get some blood on himself! Now I wonder where the towels went in Jeremy's bathroom?  ::)

I'm no more qualified in science forensic than you are to say Jeremy is a psychopathic.  As you say it's just an OPINION capitals for mphasis.   ::)

The police noticed two weeny spots of blood on the landing.  Why wouldn't they notice weeny spots on the agar, walls, furniture, floor, ceiling, etc.  Why would blood only go on Jeremy?  Jeremy attracted girls like a magnet not blood  ::)

If Jeremy still had wet blood on him when he got home that got on his towels why didn't he leave any on the window when he climbed out or on the bike? 
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« Reply #1073 on: June 03, 2016, 09:25:PM »
I'm no more qualified in science forensic than you are to say Jeremy is a psychopathic.  As you say it's just an OPINION capitals for mphasis.   ::)

The police noticed two weeny spots of blood on the landing.  Why wouldn't they notice weeny spots on the agar, walls, furniture, floor, ceiling, etc.  Why would blood only go on Jeremy?  Jeremy attracted girls like a magnet not blood  ::)

If Jeremy still had wet blood on him when he got home that got on his towels why didn't he leave any on the window when he climbed out or on the bike?

Because there is a difference in weeny and spatter - it can be almost invisible but as they thought the killer was Sheila, I guess they weren't too particular.

By the way unless you have a degree in forensic science, you're less qualified to comment on forensics, than I am to comment on psychology.  ;) ;D
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« Reply #1074 on: June 03, 2016, 09:28:PM »
Had Nevill ever telephoned any of his children ever in his life? He was a self-made man, remote from his children who sent Sheila off mid-term to Moira House and thought the cadet force at Gresham's might toughen up his son. Yet unbeknownst to himself he had become psychologically scathed by the death of his sister Diana and imprisoned in a time warp existence as he flicked through past theatre programmes, which reminded him of a happier bygone era. True he was aware of external appearances which kept his wife's illness secret and Sheila and Jeremy cloistered from the outside world for so long, but he was the boss, the paterfamilias who prided himself on his autonomy and self-reliance. He would have dealt with Sheila that night face to face, gun or no gun.

Do you think the paterfamilias would gossip with Barbara Wilson as she claims Nevill did or do you think it was all in her mind?
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« Reply #1075 on: June 03, 2016, 09:33:PM »
Because there is a difference in weeny and spatter - it can be almost invisible but as they thought the killer was Sheila, I guess they weren't too particular.

By the way unless you have a degree in forensic science, you're less qualified to comment on forensics, than I am to comment on psychology.  ;) ;D

You said you have a degree in psychologies.  If you did this when you were late teens/early 20 and haven't practiced as a psychologists then I don't see the connection. 

The weeny marks on the carpet on the landing are about same size as gun spurt you can look it up.
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« Reply #1076 on: June 03, 2016, 09:35:PM »
Do you think the paterfamilias would gossip with Barbara Wilson as she claims Nevill did or do you think it was all in her mind?
I think Barbara was a confidant with whom Nevill conversed at times, a counterpoint to June, whom he would not wish to burden given her psychiatric history, predicting his own death in the form of a shooting accident whilst out hunting, if gossip is what you want to call it.

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« Reply #1077 on: June 03, 2016, 09:38:PM »
You said you have a degree in psychologies.  If you did this when you were late teens/early 20 and haven't practiced as a psychologists then I don't see the connection. 

The weeny marks on the carpet on the landing are about same size as gun spurt you can look it up.

That's IF I did the degree straight from school - I didn't! But if I did - I'd be still more qualified that you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't think your second comment is relevant. We don't know Jeremy wasn't covered in blood but we know Sheila wasn't - well only from her own wounds. Still wondering about those towels!!


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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1078 on: June 03, 2016, 09:49:PM »
That's IF I did the degree straight from school - I didn't! But if I did - I'd be still more qualified that you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't think your second comment is relevant. We don't know Jeremy wasn't covered in blood but we know Sheila wasn't - well only from her own wounds. Still wondering about those towels!!
Julie said Jeremy never kept any towels in the bathroom.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1079 on: June 03, 2016, 09:49:PM »
That's IF I did the degree straight from school - I didn't! But if I did - I'd be still more qualified that you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't think your second comment is relevant. We don't know Jeremy wasn't covered in blood but we know Sheila wasn't - well only from her own wounds. Still wondering about those towels!!

I'm surprised your contributions to Harrison's book wasn't related to your degree? Instead it was about something you're not qualified in?  You know very little about me but if it makes you feel better telling me how well qualified you are please feel free...

Sheila wouldn't have spurt for the reasons I've given Jeremy didn't.
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