Question for Joanne

[tyler]

Hi Joanne..hope you don't mind but I wanted to ask you something.When you joined the red forum you said that you originally believed JB to be innocent but changed your mind.I just wondered what made you change your mind?No offence,but you don't seem to know much about the case and its probably not helpful either that a lot of members of the red forum dont know very much either.Many inaccuracies are posted on there such as "the aga was not found on,in the aftermath of the murders","the aga was oil fired","Sheila should have had sugar on her feet"(this was spilled by the raid team),and just last night - "The Bambers did not own Sheila's flat,it was rented".I'm not really surprised that you believe JB to be guilty when members of your forum state so many mistruths as facts.Are you interested in any other cases?

[Jo]

I did say I though Jeremy was innocent until I joined the red forum because I couldn't for the life of me imagine how he could have done it and all the documentaries I have seen point to his innocence, infact I did write to him at one point but not for very long.
I did ask why everyone on there thought him to be guilty and how he could have done it and when it was put to me that Jeremy knew which windows he could get in, how he could have used the back routes to get there and back, the issue that there were something like 4 phones in the house but only one was plugged in (which looks to me like they were pulled from the sockets on purpose), him not calling 999 after the supposed call from Neville and him then going on holiday after the murders, it all made sense. I don't buy into the issue of Sheila doing it because I think if the conversation had taken place round the table and upset or enraged her so much, I think she'd have done it then and not waited.
I also don't understand why, if there is so much 'new evidence' available why this hasn't been sufficeint to either secure a retrial or release after this long when in other cases like Stefan Kizko, Barry George-even though it took some years, they eventually got out. Every new appeal, he seems to think he can offer something new but I've yet to see it.
I can't add anything else because thats my entire thoughts on the case. I have posted questions on the other forum but always got answer that have been adequate, so I can't see me changing my mind any time soon again.

[maggie]

I did say I though Jeremy was innocent until I joined the red forum because I couldn't for the life of me imagine how he could have done it and all the documentaries I have seen point to his innocence, infact I did write to him at one point but not for very long.
I did ask why everyone on there thought him to be guilty and how he could have done it and when it was put to me that Jeremy knew which windows he could get in, how he could have used the back routes to get there and back, the issue that there were something like 4 phones in the house but only one was plugged in (which looks to me like they were pulled from the sockets on purpose), him not calling 999 after the supposed call from Neville and him then going on holiday after the murders, it all made sense. I don't buy into the issue of Sheila doing it because I think if the conversation had taken place round the table and upset or enraged her so much, I think she'd have done it then and not waited.
I also don't understand why, if there is so much 'new evidence' available why this hasn't been sufficeint to either secure a retrial or release after this long when in other cases like Stefan Kizko, Barry George-even though it took some years, they eventually got out. Every new appeal, he seems to think he can offer something new but I've yet to see it.
I can't add anything else because thats my entire thoughts on the case. I have posted questions on the other forum but always got answer that have been adequate, so I can't see me changing my mind any time soon again.

Hi Joanne, I don't think you have had adequate answers.  One example, is the phones.....a lightening srike a few days before had damaged one phone and another was buried under magazines, there  was a query as to whether this was working properly or not.  If a phone was buried under magazines it's more likely it was put on top of the mags and slipped back and got covered, there's no reason to believe Jeremy hid that phone, he didn't even live at the farm, anyone could have done it.  There were two working phones both plugged in.  The white dialup phone moved from the bedroom downstairs, obviously more convenient and the push button phone in the office.  Also, everyone in the family climbed through the window when they didn't have a key but there is no proof at all that anyone could climb out of a window and lock it from the outside.  That is just hearsay, the police never found any proof of that. So it depends who you listen to. 

[Jo]

I think this case is one where it's going to cause divide on both sides and how we all interperate the things we know (or think we do), I would love to see the interviews between the police and Jeremy and how the police thought it happened. The only 'official' type of record I have seen are the appeal papers (I think).

[maggie]

I think this case is one where it's going to cause divide on both sides and how we all interperate the things we know (or think we do), I would love to see the interviews between the police and Jeremy and how the police thought it happened. The only 'official' type of record I have seen are the appeal papers (I think).

The case is fascinating and frustrating Joanne.  The trouble is people do interpretate whereas really surely we should look at the facts, we should leave ourseves out of it as none of us really know who thought or did what at that particlar time, also we all think we know how we would have reacted in such and such circumastances but we really don't.  Unless we were there we don't know. imo

[susan]

Hi Maggie

I agree with you I read and read and still cannot work what really happened out.  If Ralph had thought his life was in serious danger he would have just pressed the panic button.  Secondly  I think of Jeremy on his Mother's bike or walking to and from the farm in pitch darkness would not have been easy.  Had Jeremy carried out the murders where did his blood stained clothes end up and why inflict burn marks on Ralph.  Why even mention to the police about going out to shoot rabbits he would have been drawing attention to the fact he left the rifle outwith the gun cupboard.  His finger prints would have been on the rifle from previous times anyway.  Why mention anything about phone calls he could have carried out the shootings then just gone home and cleaned himself up and waited for somebody to contact him.  Why hide a silencer at the far back of the cupboard  why not clean it first.  The police did not find the silencer so I ask whoever found it what were they doing looking for something.  The silencer should have been left in situ and the police take charge and test it for prints instead it was passed from pillar to post talk about contamination.

As far as Jeremy going off on holiday this did not make him a mass murderer.  Yes and plugged any phones back in or moved them back to their original location anyway whoever commits a mass murder will cover their tracks before leaving the scene.  We have documents stating none of the paint around any of the windows had been  scratched where Jeremy had forced one open with some rusty tool they seemed to have been found at a later date.

It would appear from photo's Sheila died much later than the other victims and she was possibly alive when Jeremy was outside with the Police.  The shadow at the window are we to dimiss everything Jeremy said as lies I think not.

We as human beings perceive situations differently and we are all allowed our own opinions as long as we stay respectful to each other and the poor murdered victims

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

I agree with you I read and read and still cannot work what really happened out.  If Ralph had thought his life was in serious danger he would have just pressed the panic button.  Secondly  I think of Jeremy on his Mother's bike or walking to and from the farm in pitch darkness would not have been easy.  Had Jeremy carried out the murders where did his blood stained clothes end up and why inflict burn marks on Ralph.  Why even mention to the police about going out to shoot rabbits he would have been drawing attention to the fact he left the rifle outwith the gun cupboard.  His finger prints would have been on the rifle from previous times anyway.  Why mention anything about phone calls he could have carried out the shootings then just gone home and cleaned himself up and waited for somebody to contact him.  Why hide a silencer at the far back of the cupboard  why not clean it first.  The police did not find the silencer so I ask whoever found it what were they doing looking for something.  The silencer should have been left in situ and the police take charge and test it for prints instead it was passed from pillar to post talk about contamination.

As far as Jeremy going off on holiday this did not make him a mass murderer.  Yes and plugged any phones back in or moved them back to their original location anyway whoever commits a mass murder will cover their tracks before leaving the scene.  We have documents stating none of the paint around any of the windows had been  scratched where Jeremy had forced one open with some rusty tool they seemed to have been found at a later date.

It would appear from photo's Sheila died much later than the other victims and she was possibly alive when Jeremy was outside with the Police.  The shadow at the window are we to dimiss everything Jeremy said as lies I think not.

We as human beings perceive situations differently and we are all allowed our own opinions as long as we stay respectful to each other and the poor murdered victims

Well said susie

[tyler]

I did say I though Jeremy was innocent until I joined the red forum because I couldn't for the life of me imagine how he could have done it and all the documentaries I have seen point to his innocence, infact I did write to him at one point but not for very long.
I did ask why everyone on there thought him to be guilty and how he could have done it and when it was put to me that Jeremy knew which windows he could get in, how he could have used the back routes to get there and back, the issue that there were something like 4 phones in the house but only one was plugged in (which looks to me like they were pulled from the sockets on purpose), him not calling 999 after the supposed call from Neville and him then going on holiday after the murders, it all made sense. I don't buy into the issue of Sheila doing it because I think if the conversation had taken place round the table and upset or enraged her so much, I think she'd have done it then and not waited.
I also don't understand why, if there is so much 'new evidence' available why this hasn't been sufficeint to either secure a retrial or release after this long when in other cases like Stefan Kizko, Barry George-even though it took some years, they eventually got out. Every new appeal, he seems to think he can offer something new but I've yet to see it.
I can't add anything else because thats my entire thoughts on the case. I have posted questions on the other forum but always got answer that have been adequate, so I can't see me changing my mind any time soon again.

Thank you for your reply x

[guest154]

Hi Joanne..hope you don't mind but I wanted to ask you something.When you joined the red forum you said that you originally believed JB to be innocent but changed your mind.I just wondered what made you change your mind?No offence,but you don't seem to know much about the case and its probably not helpful either that a lot of members of the red forum dont know very much either.Many inaccuracies are posted on there such as "the aga was not found on,in the aftermath of the murders","the aga was oil fired","Sheila should have had sugar on her feet"(this was spilled by the raid team),and just last night - "The Bambers did not own Sheila's flat,it was rented".I'm not really surprised that you believe JB to be guilty when members of your forum state so many mistruths as facts.Are you interested in any other cases?

To be fair, there are inaccuracies on both forums aren't there? Here it's been suggested that the blood was animals blood....that June killed the family.......that Neville was the twins Dad....

[susan]

Hi Mat

I agree with you we are only human and all have our own theories some of them totally outrageous and some quite feasible.  This applies to both forums and we can only do our best to try and be accurate but this will never be possible as so much is conjecture and supposition.

[guest154]

Hi Mat

I agree with you we are only human and all have our own theories some of them totally outrageous and some quite feasible.  This applies to both forums and we can only do our best to try and be accurate but this will never be possible as so much is conjecture and supposition.

Hi, Susan.
I agree. I find both forums helpful. 

[susan]

Mat  I agree posters on both forums will make good posts and not so good posts and we have to pick the good ones out and ignore the others

[ngb1066]

Mat  I agree posters on both forums will make good posts and not so good posts and we have to pick the good ones out and ignore the others

You are being extremely tactful Susan!    I have a somewhat different perspective, but I will say no more.

[guest154]

You are being extremely tactful Susan!    I have a somewhat different perspective, but I will say no more.

Sadly the red forum does have Jackie Preece. I can drag her back here if you care to take her?  :D

[maggie]

I am told that people find it hilarious that I said the whole family used to climb through the windows. What I meant was that it wasnt just jeremy but according to scott lomax it was well known that as there was only one key after they had a new kitchen door hung that if someone ie June or Ralph or both went out and locked the door and took the key any of the family wanting to enter the house knew there were two windows they could open and get through. One was the one of the front windows and the other the bathroom.  So it was not a secret of Jeremys at all.