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[guest7363]

Hi BG  we could say then we had the makings of a career criminal with Julie as well as her track record wass not the best at all.

I am aware this is going off topic but i thought this was interesting? I think this is a letter that starts the investigation into jeremy? might have been shown before so app if it has. Dear Bobby,

I prefer to put this down on paper rather than speaking to you on the telephone…

My son Rob contacted Witham Police and was asked to go in and see them yesterday, which he did. He saw the Inspector Miller, Smith the Sgt., and another inspector.

Rob was with them for about an hour.

The points which Rob brought to their notice were as follows - I will not go into detail but I have the notes on each point…

1/ The telephone call to J.

2/ The motive.

3/The gun and the fact that J had previously professed distaste for blood sports and rabbit shooting.

4/ The registered letters.

5/ Sheila's nature.

6) The actual shooting.

7) The alibi - J's.

The T.V. programme I spoke to you about.

9) J frequenting pubs involved with drugs.

10/ J - leaving Australia in a hurry.

11/ The time of the incident - apparently 3 am is a strange time for these things to happen.

12/ The possibility of using Sheila's past history to throw suspicion her way.

13/ The number of people - apart from members of the family who have voiced doubts. I know of 3.

Rob said that he was listened to very carefully and Miller and Smith gave him a good hearing….

However… Rob came away with the distinct impression that, despite all he had said, they were more anxious to close the case - in the way the facts point at the moment – than to dig deeper…

He was most upset to find that, following the interview, that he was being shown out of the station, he nearly bumped into J. who was coming in to see the very officers Rob had been talking to. The police were expecting J. and Rob was not at all impressed by their lack of foresight, Jeremy could have recognised our car which Rob used…

Sorry to have to deal with this at such length but I am sure that you will want to know all that went on…

I have Rob's notes if you want more detail…

Yours

Jim

[susan]

Hi Lugg thought it was £25.000.

[Lugg]

I am aware this is going off topic but i thought this was interesting? I think this is a letter that starts the investigation into jeremy? might have been shown before so app if it has. Dear Bobby,

I prefer to put this down on paper rather than speaking to you on the telephone…

My son Rob contacted Witham Police and was asked to go in and see them yesterday, which he did. He saw the Inspector Miller, Smith the Sgt., and another inspector.

Rob was with them for about an hour.

The points which Rob brought to their notice were as follows - I will not go into detail but I have the notes on each point…

1/ The telephone call to J.

2/ The motive.

3/The gun and the fact that J had previously professed distaste for blood sports and rabbit shooting.

4/ The registered letters.

5/ Sheila's nature.

6) The actual shooting.

7) The alibi - J's.

The T.V. programme I spoke to you about.

9) J frequenting pubs involved with drugs.

10/ J - leaving Australia in a hurry.

11/ The time of the incident - apparently 3 am is a strange time for these things to happen.

12/ The possibility of using Sheila's past history to throw suspicion her way.

13/ The number of people - apart from members of the family who have voiced doubts. I know of 3.

Rob said that he was listened to very carefully and Miller and Smith gave him a good hearing….

However… Rob came away with the distinct impression that, despite all he had said, they were more anxious to close the case - in the way the facts point at the moment – than to dig deeper…

He was most upset to find that, following the interview, that he was being shown out of the station, he nearly bumped into J. who was coming in to see the very officers Rob had been talking to. The police were expecting J. and Rob was not at all impressed by their lack of foresight, Jeremy could have recognised our car which Rob used…

Sorry to have to deal with this at such length but I am sure that you will want to know all that went on…

I have Rob's notes if you want more detail…

Yours

Jim

Who is Rob?

[guest7363]

Who is Rob?

I think its mr carr lugg?

[killingeve]

Which cousin would this be? 

Hi HMEssex

I believe the cousin to be the sister of Chris Nevill.  Apparently NB had left some money with her during a previous visit to New Zealand and a disagreement between JB and and CN's sister arose.  I don't know how reliable this is as I gleaned it from Wilkes' book  .  No mention of the sister's name 

[susan]

Hi Ralph  thanks for the interesting post.  I will have to read several times to know what it is about as this is the first I have heard of this. 

I will get back to you later to ask you the points I am not clear on.  Thanks my friend.

[tyler]

Robert Carr (a met officer I believe) went to the police with a list of RWB's suspicions and the letter to RWB from Jim Carr (Roberts father)was regarding the outcome/content of Roberts conversation with the police.

[HMEssex]

Hi HMEssex

I believe the cousin to be the sister of Chris Nevill.  Apparently NB had left some money with her during a previous visit to New Zealand and a disagreement between JB and and CN's sister arose.  I don't know how reliable this is as I gleaned it from Wilkes' book  .  No mention of the sister's name 

Thanks for that.  Haven't read the Wilkes' book, personally.

Chris Nevill - that's a new name for me - so confusing all these similar names!

Jeremy's trip to NZ is interesting in that he went to, obstensibly, travel, observe farming techniques and try out scuba diving (which he was unable to persue due to his cracked skull), plus he already had relatives there to visit (don't we all!), yet somehow he met Brett, managed to get involved in stealing watches, imported heroin and be on the fringes of an armed robbery so had to leave in a hurry!!

How long was he there for exactly?

[killingeve]

Thanks for that.  Haven't read the Wilkes' book, personally.

Chris Nevill - that's a new name for me - so confusing all these similar names!

Jeremy's trip to NZ is interesting in that he went to, obstensibly, travel, observe farming techniques and try out scuba diving (which he was unable to persue due to his cracked skull), plus he already had relatives there to visit (don't we all!), yet somehow he met Brett, managed to get involved in stealing watches, imported heroin and be on the fringes of an armed robbery so had to leave in a hurry!!

How long was he there for exactly?

Hi HMEssex

Well funnily enough yeah...I have a Scottish cousin who emigrated to Queenstown 5 years ago partly for the skiing and I'm visiting later this year.  Have you been? 

Meeting Brett just seems a normal run of the mill thing ie hook up with someone whilst travelling.  RB had him checked out via DC Barlow and a police liaison officer at New Zealand house.  They confirmed Brett had no criminal record.

Given the above if there was any substance re jewellery (watches) theft, armed robbery, heroin smuggling surely EP would have been onto this.

I'm not sure JB had to leave in a hurry as such.  It appears JB had some sort of disagreement with CN's sister over NB's money and left.  Apparently he got as far as the Middle East and then had to ask his parents for money.

All of the above appears to have been added to Wiki only a few months ago   

NB seems generous to a fault eg gifting more of his mother's property to AP and JW than he legally had to.  Then loaning them money for renovations.  And purchasing land on behalf of AE and PE, which they were then to purchase at a later unspecified date.  He also appears to have been very generous to SC and JB.  So it wouldn't surprise me if some of NB's money had for whatever reason been left with CN's sister 

[Patti]

Hi HMEssex

Well funnily enough yeah...I have a Scottish cousin who emigrated to Queenstown 5 years ago partly for the skiing and I'm visiting later this year.  Have you been? 

Meeting Brett just seems a normal run of the mill thing ie hook up with someone whilst travelling.  RB had him checked out via DC Barlow and a police liaison officer at New Zealand house.  They confirmed Brett had no criminal record.

Given the above if there was any substance re jewellery (watches) theft, armed robbery, heroin smuggling surely EP would have been onto this.

I'm not sure JB had to leave in a hurry as such.  It appears JB had some sort of disagreement with CN's sister over NB's money and left.  Apparently he got as far as the Middle East and then had to ask his parents for money.

All of the above appears to have been added to Wiki only a few months ago   

NB seems generous to a fault eg gifting more of his mother's property to AP and JW than he legally had to.  Then loaning them money for renovations.  And purchasing land on behalf of AE and PE, which they were then to purchase at a later unspecified date.  He also appears to have been very generous to SC and JB.  So it wouldn't surprise me if some of NB's money had for whatever reason been left with CN's sister 

Although wiki is good for general searches I would never trust all its contents to be cosha.  The general public do the write ups...

There is absolutely no evidence to back up the story of theft ect....It is all hearsay! 

[lookout]

Hi Patti,,,as I'd mentioned earlier,,had there been any thefts of that nature,then the police would have been waiting at the airport to arrest them.
I can't understand where all this is coming from,,,but know why,,,and it's to push Jeremy further and further in the mire.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,,as I'd mentioned earlier,,had there been any thefts of that nature,then the police would have been waiting at the airport to arrest them.
I can't understand where all this is coming from,,,but know why,,,and it's to push Jeremy further and further in the mire.

Hi Lookout

I think you are right...It would be something Jones would have definitely brought up time after time in his interviews with Jeremy.  Hope you are OK...I am off to bed, its been a long day.  Speak tomorrow and roll of Friday! 

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

I think you are right...It would be something Jones would have definitely brought up time after time in his interviews with Jeremy.  Hope you are OK...I am off to bed, its been a long day.  Speak tomorrow and roll of Friday! 

Goodnight Patti,sleep well.xx

[guest7363]

Although wiki is good for general searches I would never trust all its contents to be cosha.  The general public do the write ups...

There is absolutely no evidence to back up the story of theft ect....It is all hearsay! 

Fair point that patti, but surley these writers would be libelous if they are making things up?

[killingeve]

I am aware this is going off topic but i thought this was interesting? I think this is a letter that starts the investigation into jeremy? might have been shown before so app if it has. Dear Bobby,

I prefer to put this down on paper rather than speaking to you on the telephone…

My son Rob contacted Witham Police and was asked to go in and see them yesterday, which he did. He saw the Inspector Miller, Smith the Sgt., and another inspector.

Rob was with them for about an hour.

The points which Rob brought to their notice were as follows - I will not go into detail but I have the notes on each point…

1/ The telephone call to J.

2/ The motive.

3/The gun and the fact that J had previously professed distaste for blood sports and rabbit shooting.

4/ The registered letters.

5/ Sheila's nature.

6) The actual shooting.

7) The alibi - J's.

The T.V. programme I spoke to you about.

9) J frequenting pubs involved with drugs.

10/ J - leaving Australia in a hurry.

11/ The time of the incident - apparently 3 am is a strange time for these things to happen.

12/ The possibility of using Sheila's past history to throw suspicion her way.

13/ The number of people - apart from members of the family who have voiced doubts. I know of 3.

Rob said that he was listened to very carefully and Miller and Smith gave him a good hearing….

However… Rob came away with the distinct impression that, despite all he had said, they were more anxious to close the case - in the way the facts point at the moment – than to dig deeper…

He was most upset to find that, following the interview, that he was being shown out of the station, he nearly bumped into J. who was coming in to see the very officers Rob had been talking to. The police were expecting J. and Rob was not at all impressed by their lack of foresight, Jeremy could have recognised our car which Rob used…

Sorry to have to deal with this at such length but I am sure that you will want to know all that went on…

I have Rob's notes if you want more detail…

Yours

Jim

Hi Ralph

It's getting close to my bedtime but I'd like to just quickly respond to 5, 9 and 12:

9 - I think you will find since the 60's recreational drugs are widely used throughout society.  I doubt if there's a pub etc in the country that would show negative ie loos, bars, handles etc would all show up positive if swabbed.  I was surprised to find a private club that I'm a member of, which is family friendly, had a drug problem  . 

5 & 12 - According to CC's book JB's extended adoptive family had no idea about Sheila's mental illness:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3758.msg152032.html#msg152032

If what CC states is true and accurate then as far as I'm concerned therein lies the problem ie the family had no idea of the extent of SC's mental illness and would understandably find the tragedy unfathomable and look elsewhere