The simple truth

[Aunt Agatha]

Thanking you Miss Marple!!   :D

Have you ever had to question any of DS Jones' statements?

[Aunt Agatha]

I would not expect the police to be versed in logic but the dog was in essence the only survivor , im certain he would have barked non stop if jeremy had carried out these acts.

But Jeremy along with other officers heard the dog from outside.........this also came about when they noticed a (so called) figure at the window...which was later described as 'being the light!'

[lookout]

But Jeremy along with other officers heard the dog from outside.........this also came about when they noticed a (so called) figure at the window...which was later described as 'being the light!'

I could never understand,,,that if Jeremy had been the murderer,,,why he wouldn't have shot a yapping dog first because of the outside attention it would/may have drawn.

I have a dear friend in which a member of her family suffers from paranoid schizophrenia,and who also has a little " yappy " dog who goes everywhere with this person and both are firmly attached to each other. The animal is a liability and will bite if you go within a foot of it,except for its master.
What I'm saying is that no matter what,neither Sheila,nor this person that I know, would harm the animal in any way,,but would surely harm a human,,of which I know,,both physically and mentally.

If that dog at WHF had been shot,,,then I'd have blamed Jeremy for the murders too,as those who are cruel to animals in any way,,are never to be trusted around humans. The exception in this case was Sheila,who felt that the dog was her only physical attachment which hadn't hurt her in any way,and that's why it wasn't harmed. What happened was that her very sick mind had taken over reality and killing an animal wasn't at the forefront of her mind.
Prior to the mid-seventies,before her mind became " mixed-up " Sheila would have been a clever,gentle soul,,but because of the continued indoctrination of religion from her mother,things started to break down,,,and relationships between Sheila and June deteriorated.

This is a pattern that I've got first hand experience of with my friend and member of her family. It's a very sad situation to see,,but this illness breaks up families.
 

[big-goolies]

the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident

[lookout]

the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident

It may as well have been for the way the whole fiasco went.

[Patti]

Have you ever had to question any of DS Jones' statements?

Sorry, Aunt Agatha I was meaning Taff Jones....not Stan the man lol 

[Lugg]

the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident

He probably couldn't see any of it as he was under the bed for most of the time.

[campion]

  Lugg,  Maybe it was the case that Crispy was shut up in the 'backkitchen' with Sheila, which may provide the answer to why the Raid Team said the 'female' was barking in reply to their loudhailer postulations. To the last, he was doing his duty in defence of his mistress.

[Lugg]

  Lugg,  Maybe it was the case that Crispy was shut up in the 'backkitchen' with Sheila, which may provide the answer to why the Raid Team said the 'female' was barking in reply to their loudhailer postulations. To the last, he was doing his duty in defence of his mistress.

Yes indeed those small dogs are the yappeist in the dog world. As you said once, if there was an intruder he would have been heard 2 houses down?

[Reader]

There were no bolts on the rear door. RWB made this observation whilst looking at the broken door in the garage (where EP had stored it). It was, apparently, locked from the inside with the key.

What evidence supports that assertion? Peter Woodcock's statement of 20th September 1985 contains "I checked the door to ascertain the location of any interior bolts and also checked the keyhole. I found that the door appeared to be bolted from the inside both top and bottom and confirmed that a key was in the lock on the inside."

[guest2181]

What evidence supports that assertion? Peter Woodcock's statement of 20th September 1985 contains "I checked the door to ascertain the location of any interior bolts and also checked the keyhole. I found that the door appeared to be bolted from the inside both top and bottom and confirmed that a key was in the lock on the inside."

RWB "No Bolts" note, I suspect. When he saw the door in the garage.

Just a guess though. 

[lookout]

 The simple truth is that Jeremy didn't murder anyone,and but for the loss of 5 people who were brutally murdered,the case became " Much Ado About Nothing ".  A waste of time,money and resources.

[guest2181]

The simple truth is that Jeremy didn't murder anyone,and but for the loss of 5 people who were brutally murdered,the case became " Much Ado About Nothing ".  A waste of time,money and resources.

Indeed they were.

[Adam]

The problem with the 3rd party scenario is that they would have to get in and out of the house undetected....The latter also applies to Jeremy.  Unless of course someone got in, hid in the loft, left by the skylark and climbed down the drain pipe...and was later seen in the lane...

He got in through the loose/open bathroom window.

Then exited through the kitchen window. Banging it shut from outside.

[Adam]

Once you rule out SC as being a suicide/murder then that only leaves a 5 victim murder by a 3rd party

There is no possibility of it being a third party.

There have been threads on the random stranger and random burglar options. Both ridiculous options.

Jeremy briefly brought up this option years ago. Suggesting Sheila did not commit the massacre. But quickly shelved the idea.

There is no way Bamber could find and afford to pay anyone to murder men, women and children.