"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."

[David1819]

I've worked out how Bamber committed the massacre. Thread created. But no one can work out how Sheila did. Even when pretending she was not on Haloperidol.

All I've got from you is Sheila attempted to put the silencer on herself. Although Nevill was awake, and Nevill heard upstairs shots but stayed downstairs as he thought Sheila was firing warning shots.

I am in the painstaking process of making a fully detailed 3D reconstruction of how Sheila carried out the killings.

Here is teaser of what is to come. Once complete, Its going to look awesome and totally blow your mind Adam (assuming you have one)

[Roch]

Hi Roch

may I ask do you think Sheila killed her parents then killed her boys I am rather puzzled as I believe June was killed in bed and Nevill in the kitchen so I can only assume she killed June first then Nevill chased her downstairs and she shot then struggled with him and got the better of him as he was injured

Hi Susan, I don't like to think about Daniel and Nicholas being shot - I find it upsetting.  I wish I could answer your question but I all I can say is that my assumption has generally been they were shot first - as I imagine they would have awoke during any turmoil or noise in the farmhouse.   I really don't know and I could be wrong.

[Roch]

Hi Roch

may I ask do you think Sheila killed her parents then killed her boys I am rather puzzled as I believe June was killed in bed and Nevill in the kitchen so I can only assume she killed June first then Nevill chased her downstairs and she shot then struggled with him and got the better of him as he was injured

Also,could Nevill have initially slept downstairs in his chair after a nightcap, with the intention of later going to bed?  Would either or both adults struggle with Sheila to prevent her from shooting twins or was it too late and they didn't realise the twins had already been shot? 

It is a very eerie and sobering to wonder what took place in the house that night. 

I think we are getting to the truth bit by bit.  A few twists and turns yet perhaps?  I'm a pessimist and it wouldn't surprise me if Jeremy died in prison before anything like the 'full' truth came out.

[David1819]

Also,could Nevill have initially slept downstairs in his chair after a nightcap, with the intention of later going to bed? 

The pillows and the duvet show, Nevill's bed had been slept it. I believe it was Neville in that bed. Because the only alternative is Sheila having slept there.

'the big slipper debate' might hold more clues on this. I've never looked much into it TBH.

[Roch]

I am in the painstaking process of making a fully detailed 3D reconstruction of how Sheila carried out the killings.

Here is teaser of what is to come. Once complete, Its going to look awesome and totally blow your mind Adam (assuming you have one)

Impressive.  It's somewhat eerie to see the killer in this manner.

[susan]

The pillows and the duvet show, Nevill's bed had been slept it. I believe it was Neville in that bed. Because the only alternative is Sheila having slept there.

'the big slipper debate' might hold more clues on this. I've never looked much into it TBH.

David I think Nevill was sleeping in the single bed in the spare room I seem to think some of his blood was found outside of that bedroom.

[susan]

Hi Susan, I don't like to think about Daniel and Nicholas being shot - I find it upsetting.  I wish I could answer your question but I all I can say is that my assumption has generally been they were shot first - as I imagine they would have awoke during any turmoil or noise in the farmhouse.   I really don't know and I could be wrong.

Roch I agree with you and it is so sad even thinking about the wee souls and how their young lives came to an end

[David1819]

David I think Nevill was sleeping in the single bed in the spare room I seem to think some of his blood was found outside of that bedroom.

We don't know who's blood it is. The exhibit cannot be found in any of the lab results.


1. It was Sheila's room.
2. Sheila's make up and stuff was placed on the other bed in that room.
3. Sheila didn't get on well June.
4. That was Nevills side of the bed.

For the reasons above. I believe they were all sleeping in the typical locations.

[susan]

We don't know who's blood it is. The exhibit cannot be found in any of the lab results.


1. It was Sheila's room.
2. Sheila's make up and stuff was placed on the other bed in that room.
3. Sheila didn't get on well June.
4. That was Nevills side of the bed.

For the reasons above. I believe they were all sleeping in the typical locations.

David two single beds in the room Sheila's stuff all over the bed AE was very surprised when she discovered both beds were made with bed clothes I believe his slippers were in the room but in saying all that I cannot see Sheila sharing a bed with June.  So did Sheila shoot June in the bed now I am totally lost as to what happened next. The blood outside of the other bedroom I thought was Nevill's if not who did the blood belong to looking forward to your vid maybe confuse me more than ever

[susan]

Also,could Nevill have initially slept downstairs in his chair after a nightcap, with the intention of later going to bed?  Would either or both adults struggle with Sheila to prevent her from shooting twins or was it too late and they didn't realise the twins had already been shot? 

It is a very eerie and sobering to wonder what took place in the house that night. 

I think we are getting to the truth bit by bit.  A few twists and turns yet perhaps?  I'm a pessimist and it wouldn't surprise me if Jeremy died in prison before anything like the 'full' truth came out.

Roch I think Nevill slept upstairs blood was found on the stairs and it seems he was rushing down after Sheila or to use the phone.  We will never know what exactly went on in the house that night but if JB is innocent it will be a tragedy if he dies in prison.

[Adam]

You are 100% correct in your assertion that Sheila was the killer.  She killed the other two adults by shooting them, after either one or both had failed in their attempts to disarm her.  Whereas the two other adults received gunshot wounds in the course of these events, Sheila did not.  The gunshot wounds sustained by the other two adults effectively counteracted any apparent physical advantage they may have had over Sheila (i.e. if it is possible to have a physical advantage over a person going "berserk").

The phone calls issue is very complicated - I'm not 100% on the calls or how to explain them.  Unlike you, I do not have a very analytical brain.   

That's a good start.

I know Sheila killed the adults by shooting them. She didn't have to fight off both adults. Only Nevill, as June was in bed.

Do you agree with David that Nevill phoned Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins ? Bit late perhaps. Why did Nevill phone the police 16 minutes later, rather than an ambulance.

Or do you believe that Nevill phoned Bamber before any shooting started ? Bit strange Nevill only said 11 words to Bamber after waiting so long for him to answer, before hanging up ?

Lookout says Nevill heard shots upstairs but thought Sheila was firing warning shots upstairs. Which is why he waited for Bamber to answer.

Either way, what happened in the 16 munutes between Nevill phoning Bamber & then the police ? Feel free to drop Nevill's call to the police, as David & Sherlock did.

[Adam]

I am in the painstaking process of making a fully detailed 3D reconstruction of how Sheila carried out the killings.

Here is teaser of what is to come. Once complete, Its going to look awesome and totally blow your mind Adam (assuming you have one)

Thank you for you're future (5th) scenario of how Sheila could have committed the massacre. Hopefully they will be more successful than the other four.

It doesn't have to be in 3D. It just has to match the crime scene & include a brutal fight, 2 reloads, chambers, breaches & 1/2 phone calls.

We can pretend Sheila was not on Haloperidol.

But watch out as Roch is compiling a scenario & may steal you're thunder.

[Adam]

We don't know who's blood it is. The exhibit cannot be found in any of the lab results.


1. It was Sheila's room.
2. Sheila's make up and stuff was placed on the other bed in that room.
3. Sheila didn't get on well June.
4. That was Nevills side of the bed.

For the reasons above. I believe they were all sleeping in the typical locations.

That's a good point. All Sheila's stuff was in the spare room.

The creepy suggestion that Sheila slept in the main bedroom can be dismissed.

[lookout]

Pity we didn't have pics of the sitting room.

[Steve_uk]

You are 100% correct in your assertion that Sheila was the killer.  She killed the other two adults by shooting them, after either one or both had failed in their attempts to disarm her.  Whereas the two other adults received gunshot wounds in the course of these events, Sheila did not.  The gunshot wounds sustained by the other two adults effectively counteracted any apparent physical advantage they may have had over Sheila (i.e. if it is possible to have a physical advantage over a person going "berserk").

The phone calls issue is very complicated - I'm not 100% on the calls or how to explain them.  Unlike you, I do not have a very analytical brain.   

The problem I have with this is Sheila was described as walking stiffly ever since her June visit and as she would have had to reload the weapon it stretches credibility that Nevill didn't disarm her then. Far likelier to have been Jeremy haring down the staircase..