"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."

[Steve_uk]

Morning steve uk  just reading your posts from last night and I am wondering what you are hoping to achieve on this forum.  You have made it quite clear that you hate Jeremy Bamber and are adamant he is guilty.  He was found guilty in a Court of Law and is serving a full life tarriff. What more do you want from him or the Judicial System.

I suspect you are on the forum to exonerate Julie of any wrong doings as she was an accessory to these murders and at the time was upto no good mostly without Jeremy she was managing it all on her own.  They were not Bonnie & Clyde.  I do accept neither were model citizens.  If you are trying to convince the world Julie is a good person so let it be but be honest about it. I have to admit your posts bring colour to the forum and I am sure you would be missed if you decided to leave us.

No crime exists in a vacuum and this site might serve in preventing further tragedy on a similar scale. I hate the crime,not Jeremy Bamber,and salute his work on books for the blind in prison,whatever his motive in doing so. My feeling is that he will only confess once it is propitious for him to do so,which to my mind involves offering the same facilities and lifestyle open to most murderers in Norway,and engender in him a feeling of warmth and safety which I believe does not exist in his life at the present time.

[susan]

Hi steve  I hate the crime equally as much as you and at times have difficulty in talking about it in depth. I think your sentiments are very commendable in hoping your input to the forum may help further murders of this nature from happening.  I think what you are saying is if people had been more aware of what type of person Jeremy Bamber was  i.e. devious, cruel vain greedy womaniser,  they could have maybe forseen these murders and prevented them. If only Julie had warned Ralph what type of son he had brought up and what he was planning the murders could have been prevented. But then again if she had done this she may have been his next intended victim and this is why she kept quiet. Please Google the case of Theresa Riggi who last year stabbed her 3 lovely children 8 times each and lay them in a line on the floor then tried unsuccessfully to take her own life.  She was sentenced to 16 years in prison.  Would you say that was normal behaviour.  She loved her children obsessively to the point she felt she had to kill them to protect them.  Mothers unfortunately do this.   People don't always murder for an inheritance.

Jeremy Bamber will never confess to a crime he did not commit would you especially when it involved two young children. Jeremy is have you have said doing good work on books for the blind.  steve why does he have to have a motive. 

[tyler]

Steve is referring to an "alleged" entry in Sheila's diary.Alleged by an author with no evidence to back it up.It does make me wonder,however,why Sheila's diary was not produced as an exhibit at trial.Instead,it was handed to the relatives as it was said to contain sensitive information that could be embarrassing for the remaining family members??
What is more interesting and relevant to the case is the fact that BW made a statement stating that Sheila had told her,prior to the murders,that "all people are evil and should be killed" !!

[susan]

Morning tyler

how ya today.  First time I have heard of this diary.  Statements are made with no documentation to back them up.  The diary should have been produced at Trial as after all only Jeremy Bamber was on Trial so the diary could not incriminate another person.  Strange what was left out eh.

[tyler]

Morning tyler

how ya today.  First time I have heard of this diary.  Statements are made with no documentation to back them up.  The diary should have been produced at Trial as after all only Jeremy Bamber was on Trial so the diary could not incriminate another person.  Strange what was left out eh.

Morning Susan....I'm good thank you! Hope you are too.
Yes,I agree that all the "damning" evidence was omitted from the trial.Evidence that helped build a picture as to how ill Sheila really was.Thus denying the jury to make a proper informed decision surely?

[susan]

Hi tyler

makes me wonder what other damning evidence was omitted from the Trial

[Roch]

"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy"-these words written by Sheila in her journal in her last hours on earth and which sealed her fate will be etched indelibly on any serious studier of the White House Murder crimes.

Actually, it reads to me like somebody penning their heartfelt regrets, before they die.

[Lugg]

"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy"-these words written by Sheila in her journal in her last hours on earth and which sealed her fate will be etched indelibly on any serious studier of the White House Murder crimes. They suggest that the siblings had had a row on that Tuesday night,possibly as an embittered Jeremy had reminded her where the money for the maintenance of her London Maida Vale was coming from and how hard it was earned by Jeremy tilling the soil,for which he seemed to receive little appreciation from the company gathered around him. Nevill would castigate his heir for not putting in sufficient hours or getting his hands dirty,herein a covert reference to the rumours of a sexual deviance which Nevill endured on the occasions he supped at the Red Lion public house. June had long since refrained from tackling her son on any public or private matter,their uneasy modus vivendi resulting in the merest of pleasantries being exchanged in any random encounter at the Farm.

Yet looking back from the grim realities of a grey prison cell it is Sheila whom Jeremy has talked about most in terms which could most be construed as any shred of regret or remorse. Sheila was of an age where she was likely to be believed,and though in reality immature and harmless her remarks cut an already emotionally-damaged Jeremy. If only he had understood his sister or attempted to understand her illness just that little bit more,he would have been able to realize why June acted as she did in providing a cushion of support,which in no way detracted from June's love for him,nor could Sheila be culpable for lashing out at times at the people most dear to her,this being inherent in the nature of her illness.In the over-competitive environment in which Nevill placed Jeremy at Gresham's whilst only eight years old his father was planning ahead and doing what he felt was in the long-term interests of his son. Yet this only caused bitterness and alienation from both parents as the years progressed and engendered a feeling of hopelessness as Jeremy was ever outwitted by his smarter peers. Only now has Jeremy begun to realize what he had and what he has thrown away,which must make the passage of every day even more unbearable as he reflects on the heartfelt remorse Sheila expressed as a new year of confinement starts.

If I may be so bold Steve? But you seem to presume to put an awful lot of words into a simple one liner written in Sheila's journal? How on earth can you get that amount of information from so few words.

[Lugg]

Actually, it reads to me like somebody penning their heartfelt regrets, before they die.

Surely that incriminates Sheila more than Jeremy, if she knew she was about to die?

[Roch]

Surely that incriminates Sheila more than Jeremy, if she knew she was about to die?

Which makes me wonder how Steve can run in the complete opposite direction with it.

[lookout]

Patti, I read that Jeremy is supposed to have said that Sheila did something nasty/horrible/terrible to him. It wasn't expanded on, which makes me think it may be true, and I assumed it to have happened in the distant, rather than the recent past. "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy" could have been in her mind if she was contemplating suicide.

Meaning that he'd be the only one remaining to take the wrap for what happened that night.

[susan]

Hi lookout hope you are well.  I often think and I know it is hypothetical but what would have happened with this murder case had Jeremy married Julie.  That is what a clever man would have done if he had confessed to his girlfriend he was responsible for the deaths of his entire family. A plain stupid one would have dumped her.

[Patti]

Patti, I read that Jeremy is supposed to have said that Sheila did something nasty/horrible/terrible to him. It wasn't expanded on, which makes me think it may be true, and I assumed it to have happened in the distant, rather than the recent past. "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy" could have been in her mind if she was contemplating suicide.

Hi April

Jeremy was questioned about this in his 1985 statement to Jones. His answer was she was horrible to once when I was a child, but not that horrible.  I am not sure if this relates to what Wilkes says in his book.  If this diary or note pad was given to the relatives then how does Wilkes know about it?  My guess is a simple one....

[lookout]

Hi lookout hope you are well.  I often think and I know it is hypothetical but what would have happened with this murder case had Jeremy married Julie.  That is what a clever man would have done if he had confessed to his girlfriend he was responsible for the deaths of his entire family. A plain stupid one would have dumped her.

Hi Susan,yes I'm well thankyou,hope you are too.
Of course he'd have married her and she'd have jumped at the suggestion,if there'd been murder on his mind. That's what psychopaths do to hide their guilt,acting as though nothing's happened because their lack of emotion allows that. Jeremy was intelligent,,but not clever,as in crafty and cunning.

[lookout]

Actually, it reads to me like somebody penning their heartfelt regrets, before they die.

That's how I read it too,ngb,,as a sort of an apology,with aforethought.