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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2013, 04:51:PM »
steve  how do you know the murders were committed in the time frame you are suggesting.  The police did not enter the farm until about 7.30 a.m and would not have been aware what was happening in there.  If they were so confident everyone was dead why did they not enter much sooner.


Susan/Lugg, I fear this is another attempt by Steve to derail the original topic to one where it seems he feels on surer ground...........and guess what, he's succeeded :D :D :D

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« Reply #106 on: January 05, 2013, 04:53:PM »

Steve, Lugg is the third person, within the last hor, to remind you that nobody here has suggested that Sheila was a schemer. WHY do you still persist in saying otherwise? Are we ever likely to see an occasion when you admit that you may be wrong?
Post 96 does not say she was a schemer.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2013, 04:56:PM »

Susan/Lugg, I fear this is another attempt by Steve to derail the original topic to one where it seems he feels on surer ground...........and guess what, he's succeeded :D :D :D
April1 I'm content to discuss Sheila's mental illness all weekend,but you must weigh this in the balance with what emanated from Jeremy's mouth since Autumn 1984. To get back to the subject,there are six reasons here why people commit suicide,but I have yet to categorize or come up with an explanation why Sheila would take four people with her.http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/happiness-in-world/201004/the-six-reasons-people-attempt-suicide
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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2013, 05:00:PM »
Post 96 does not say she was a schemer.
No But you imply that I did say she was. Which I didn't.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #109 on: January 05, 2013, 05:01:PM »
There was no sound of running water audible from without,there was nobody crying out for help..it's pretty obvious to me that Jeremy high on cocaine had shot them all before his second call to Julie at around 3:15am.


This is NOT proven fact and highly misleading for new members of the forum. The information, other than that in your head, which is also suspect, you mostly gain from authors whose chief concern is making money from dubious literature, is perhaps NOT the best place for members to gain insight, especially when it is presented as gospel truth.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #110 on: January 05, 2013, 05:03:PM »
steve there you go again how do you know Jeremy was high on cocaine.  If the murderer was still in the farmhouse he/she would hardly call out for help would they.  You appear to be possessed with hatred for Jermey yet it was perfectly OK for Julie to know these murders were going to take place and she did not lift one finger to stop them she was as bad as him then.,  You have to accept this steve if Julie had prior knowledge of Jeremy's intentions to murder his whole family and he told her "tonights the night" why did she not warn Ralph and get police protection she should have been jailed with him instead she was rewarded with £25.000 and all charges for her previous criminal activities dropped.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2013, 05:03:PM »

This is NOT proven fact and highly misleading for new members of the forum. The information, other than that in your head, which is also suspect, you mostly gain from authors whose chief concern is making money from dubious literature, is perhaps NOT the best place for members to gain insight, especially when it is presented as gospel truth.
New members are quite capable of making up their own minds on the evidence,and I stick by my assertions made in my previous thread.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2013, 05:04:PM »
New members are quite capable of making up their own minds on the evidence,and I stick by my assertions made in my previous thread.
What, even though it is all fantasy?

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2013, 05:08:PM »
April1 I'm content to discuss Sheila's mental illness all weekend,but you must weigh this in the balance with what emanated from Jeremy's mouth since Autumn 1984. To get back to the subject,there are six reasons here why people commit suicide,but I have yet to categorize or come up with an explanation why Sheila would take four people with her.http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/happiness-in-world/201004/the-six-reasons-people-attempt-suicide


Steve, we are not talking about the reasons others may commit suicide. We are talking about Sheila, whose potential was unique to her and cannot be compared with any other.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2013, 05:12:PM »
steve before I start this post I must point out I am not saying Sheila killed her children.  In a case where a Mother wishes to kill her children and herself and her parents try and intervene they too would have to be killed so she could carry on with her need to protect her children from evil and then kill herself so she can be with them :(  Theresa Riggi would have killed her husband had she the chance.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2013, 05:12:PM »
steve there you go again how do you know Jeremy was high on cocaine.  If the murderer was still in the farmhouse he/she would hardly call out for help would they.  You appear to be possessed with hatred for Jermey yet it was perfectly OK for Julie to know these murders were going to take place and she did not lift one finger to stop them she was as bad as him then.,  You have to accept this steve if Julie had prior knowledge of Jeremy's intentions to murder his whole family and he told her "tonights the night" why did she not warn Ralph and get police protection she should have been jailed with him instead she was rewarded with £25.000 and all charges for her previous criminal activities dropped.
Julie simply didn't take Jeremy seriously. He had played practical jokes on people in the past,and Julie was worn out with the delayed impact of teaching practice as only people in that profession understand how dog tired you can become. She had been working that day at another job and probably just wanted to get back into bed. I think Julie was outgrowing an immature Jeremy even at this stage as her professional career took hold,and when he became equivocal at Blazer's restaurant,Blackheath as to whether he loved her or not Julie realized it was time to move on.

As for Jeremy being high on cocaine,it was Ann Eaton who noticed Jeremy's dilated pupils that morning. I had hoped that those who believe like myself that Jeremy committed the murders could reach a modus vivendi with the Jeremy supporters that it was drugs which screwed up Jeremy's life,but it seems as if this accommodation is not to be reached.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2013, 05:12:PM »
April1 I'm content to discuss Sheila's mental illness all weekend,but you must weigh this in the balance with what emanated from Jeremy's mouth since Autumn 1984. To get back to the subject,there are six reasons here why people commit suicide,but I have yet to categorize or come up with an explanation why Sheila would take four people with her.http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/happiness-in-world/201004/the-six-reasons-people-attempt-suicide


May I also say that you appear to go to great lengths to discredit what is said by those with far greater knowledge of a subject than your own. You are allowed to own the possibility of being wrong.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #117 on: January 05, 2013, 05:17:PM »

Steve, we are not talking about the reasons others may commit suicide. We are talking about Sheila, whose potential was unique to her and cannot be compared with any other.
But it's a different category than a suicide such as Helen Mann's for example, because you're alleging the murder-suicide. In reality Sheila did not commit suicide;she was murdered by her brother Jeremy,who killed his nephews primarily to enable Colin to start a new life unhindered as he saw it,but also so he could inherit the lion's share of his parents' estate.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #118 on: January 05, 2013, 05:20:PM »
steve before I start this post I must point out I am not saying Sheila killed her children.  In a case where a Mother wishes to kill her children and herself and her parents try and intervene they too would have to be killed so she could carry on with her need to protect her children from evil and then kill herself so she can be with them :(  Theresa Riggi would have killed her husband had she the chance.
But I just don't see this motive Susan. Sheila was perfectly happy with Colin taking over the day to day care of the twins. If it could be proven she had a pathological hatred of Heather Amos then I might change my opinion,but Sheila just does not fit into that category of person you're trying to depict.

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Re: "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."
« Reply #119 on: January 05, 2013, 05:22:PM »

May I also say that you appear to go to great lengths to discredit what is said by those with far greater knowledge of a subject than your own. You are allowed to own the possibility of being wrong.
I really don't know to what you're alluding and I thought we were all being very well-mannered.