Why the media cannot be behind Jeremy

[nugnug]

i dont think the press have nearly as much influence as the cliam anyway.

[SIMONJONES]

This forum wealds more power than some think it does. And just think of the many legal minds that have become interested in this case. This forum must be counted as media as well as the national rags who are in it just for the money. SJ is only here to discourage the Bamber supporters.

Lugg - I'm just passing on the kind of stuff that is coming through to me, and yes, it will discourage Bamber supporters.

I do agree though, that a Forum such as this can be counted as media, but if you have fantasy stories about the police shooting members of WHF the site loses some credibilty.

I know for a fact that the 'police shooting Shelia issue' is a road to nowhere for Jeremy Bamber - ( and he knows it too ) certainly an Iron Curtain surrounding Birmingham, should you take that route.

The forum acts as a very useful portal for people with an interest in WHF. It is an amazing case and I've no doubt people will be drawn to it for years to come.

To be fair to the guys that run this site, they probably know who I'm in contact with, and they could easily have barred me from posting.

That may indicate something.

I'm sorry to say that some people on here get an inflated view of public opinion on this case with all that Twitter and Facebook nonsense.

Nugnug was spot on with a comment tonight on another thread.

Despite all that, if someone on here does uncover anything of real substance, I would show respect.

Anyway, Lugg, Happy New Year to you and the other guys on here.

[Caroline R]

Lugg - I'm just passing on the kind of stuff that is coming through to me, and yes, it will discourage Bamber supporters.

I do agree though, that a Forum such as this can be counted as media, but if you have fantasy stories about the police shooting members of WHF the site loses some credibilty.

I know for a fact that the 'police shooting Shelia issue' is a road to nowhere for Jeremy Bamber - ( and he knows it too ) certainly an Iron Curtain surrounding Birmingham, should you take that route.

The forum acts as a very useful portal for people with an interest in WHF. It is an amazing case and I've no doubt people will be drawn to it for years to come.

To be fair to the guys that run this site, they probably know who I'm in contact with, and they could easily have barred me from posting.

That may indicate something.

I'm sorry to say that some people on here get an inflated view of public opinion on this case with all that Twitter and Facebook nonsense.

Nugnug was spot on with a comment tonight on another thread.

Despite all that, if someone on here does uncover anything of real substance, I would show respect.

Anyway, Lugg, Happy New Year to you and the other guys on here.

If anyone does come up with something of real substance, they should pass it on to JB's solicitor - not post it here until they clear it with him first.

I must just add - I'm not discouraged in the slightest!

[mertol22]

I  treat anything to discourage you from the thoughts of some members a reason not to change now.

[Lugg]

Lugg - I'm just passing on the kind of stuff that is coming through to me, and yes, it will discourage Bamber supporters.

I do agree though, that a Forum such as this can be counted as media, but if you have fantasy stories about the police shooting members of WHF the site loses some credibilty.

I know for a fact that the 'police shooting Shelia issue' is a road to nowhere for Jeremy Bamber - ( and he knows it too ) certainly an Iron Curtain surrounding Birmingham, should you take that route.

The forum acts as a very useful portal for people with an interest in WHF. It is an amazing case and I've no doubt people will be drawn to it for years to come.

To be fair to the guys that run this site, they probably know who I'm in contact with, and they could easily have barred me from posting.

That may indicate something.

I'm sorry to say that some people on here get an inflated view of public opinion on this case with all that Twitter and Facebook nonsense.

Nugnug was spot on with a comment tonight on another thread.

Despite all that, if someone on here does uncover anything of real substance, I would show respect.

Anyway, Lugg, Happy New Year to you and the other guys on here.

Happy new year to you too. Yes I know who you are in contact with. Its a pity they didn't tell you why they held onto vital evidence all these years and did not allow it to he heard at the trial?

[Patti]

The media are neither pro Bamber nor anti Bamber.

The media are interested in stories that sell off the printed page or online.

As with the example of the Daily Mail - 'Bamber Innocent', followed by 'Bamber Guilty' some years later. 

Woofinden gets his fee, and then he gets another one.

I'm hard pushed to think of more than a couple of journalists / media producers out of at least a hundred or so I'm in contact with who think Bamber might be innocent. However. Eric Allison ( Guardian ) was pro Bamber when I spoke to him 2 years ago.

You won't get 'the people' en-masse to join a crusade to free Jeremy Bamber. That is never going to happen.

Forums, Twitter and any other social networking sites are not going to make any difference to the WHF case.

No major breakthrough has been made on this case in the last 20 years.

That is not to say that the media have neglected the 'Bamber may be innocent' theories ( Aga etc ).

Equally, production companies see enough interest in the case to produce documentaries - but the reason they make these programmes is commercial and not with any bias towards Jeremy Bamber.

If Simon McKay hits on anything I'm sure the media will publish it but it is now accepted by people at the heart of the case ( I'm not sure about McKay - he never got back to me, probably for good reason ) that the end of the road has now been reached.

It should be remembered that Bamber is a 'business commodity'.

I do have something further on this but only by PM if anyone should show interest.

Hi Simon

I think Simon Mckay is one of those people who does not care about whether or not a client is innocent or not...His only goal is to look at the evidence and deal with it using the law.  I think he is a brilliant person, who feels strongly about his clients and would not stoop so low and discuss them with anyone and, for that I admire him. 

In Jeremy's case, I feel a common dilemma, because two children were involved and anyone supporting a man/woman who has been found guilty of such a crime, will not gain the support of the general public; simply because they would be ashamed of doing do so.  This dilemma will always be the case unfortunately.  I fear that people for professional reasons would not wish to be associated with Jeremy Bamber....whether they think he is guilty or not....Does that make sense?   

[susan]

Hi Patti  hope you are well.  I agree with you regarding Simon Mackay and Jeremy may receive more support had two wee children not been murdered along with their Mother and Grandparents.  It makes me wonder how Julie knowing about this crime prior to it happening was given celebrity status along with £25000 and I never hear about her getting bad press anyway on other forums and she could have prevented these murders if of course she is speaking the truth.

[Patti]

Hi Patti  hope you are well.  I agree with you regarding Simon Mackay and Jeremy may receive more support had two wee children not been murdered along with their Mother and Grandparents.  It makes me wonder how Julie knowing about this crime prior to it happening was given celebrity status along with £25000 and I never hear about her getting bad press anyway on other forums and she could have prevented these murders if of course she is speaking the truth.

Hi Susan

I am very well thank you! And you?  It all boils down to the press at the end of the day. We are human and  the majority of us believe in what we read.  The press sell papers and they either support you or not.  Take Gazza....he is a perfect example of how the press can control your way of thinking.   

[killingeve]

Hi Susan

I am very well thank you! And you?  It all boils down to the press at the end of the day. We are human and  the majority of us believe in what we read.  The press sell papers and they either support you or not.  Take Gazza....he is a perfect example of how the press can control your way of thinking.   

Hi Patti

If JB's conviction is quashed the British press will be all over him like a rash.  In the event I hope he tells them to DO ONE and deals exclusively with foreign outlets.

[Jane]

Hi Patti

If JB's conviction is quashed the British press will be all over him like a rash.  In the event I hope he tells them to DO ONE and deals exclusively with foreign outlets.

NaNu, Hi. If Jeremy's conviction becomes quashed there will be vast amounts of people shedding volumes of perspiration to the point where a second Noah may be required.

[lookout]

There'll be a lot of people running for cover if and when that does happen. Not so much through fear,,but guilt.

[killingeve]

NaNu, Hi. If Jeremy's conviction becomes quashed there will be vast amounts of people shedding volumes of perspiration to the point where a second Noah may be required.

Hi April1

Nice one 

[SIMONJONES]

Hi Simon

I think Simon Mckay is one of those people who does not care about whether or not a client is innocent or not...His only goal is to look at the evidence and deal with it using the law.  I think he is a brilliant person, who feels strongly about his clients and would not stoop so low and discuss them with anyone and, for that I admire him. 

In Jeremy's case, I feel a common dilemma, because two children were involved and anyone supporting a man/woman who has been found guilty of such a crime, will not gain the support of the general public; simply because they would be ashamed of doing do so.  This dilemma will always be the case unfortunately.  I fear that people for professional reasons would not wish to be associated with Jeremy Bamber....whether they think he is guilty or not....Does that make sense?   

Simon McKay is about the only person I contacted on the Bamber case who never replied, and some of these people were far higher up the legal ladder in this country than him, pretty much at the top of it I'd say.

They actually will speak in complete privacy - from sound proof rooms in the basement of mansions no less, possibly on custom built telephone equipment that is beyond tracking by any organisation.

I'm surprised some of them have given me the time of day, but I've always believed you should be able to speak to anyone.

One of them said 'It's about winning a case, nothing more, nothing less'.

I have ( by default while working abroad for a shipping tycoon ) answered the phone to President Carter amongst others, and he was a real gentleman! From that moment, I'm not sure if it's confidence or stupidity, I've tracked down anyone I wished to speak to.

Tom Stephens was one of the most interesting.

[Roch]

SIMONJONES, is your user-name a reference to Arthur Dent?

[Bambergate]

if you believe in cover ups and conspiracy theories then maybe you should move to Americaland with the other fruits and cranks

Yes and Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction we just did not find them.
Yes I do believe in cover ups...