Dog inside farmhouse, barking before police / Jeremy arrived at scene...

[susan]

Hi tyler  I think the outside Lab would have barked if anyone arrived at the farm in the early hours they have super sensitive hearing that would have set Crispy off and Ralph and June would have been awoken before the intruder had chance to arm himself take the phone off the hook and proceed upstairs.  Does not make any sense to me.

[susan]

Hi tyler does anyone know the explanation the Prosecution gave in Court as to how Jeremy carried out these murders.  I have decided now to concentrate on not who did the murders but who did'ent.  Any ideas.

[Nickos]

Hi tyler does anyone know the explanation the Prosecution gave in Court as to how Jeremy carried out these murders.  I have decided now to concentrate on not who did the murders but who did'ent.  Any ideas.

Sheila didn't - that just leaves JB   

[susan]

Nickos you are being somewhat evasive.  I was wondering what the Prosecution thought about how he carried out the murders you have told me your theory which I am immensly thankful for as you have put quite a few good ideas in my head.

[mike tesko]

Small dogs are commonly yappy.

Having witnessed the shootings it was clearly traumatised, and on edge.

So the little dog may having been barking at the dead bodies and the smell of cordite, and continued barking having heard (dogs, as we know, have fairly acute hearing) the police and JB turn up (after all car tyres /engine noise in the lane would have been heard (an upstairs window was open), and JB and EP did skirt the parameter of whf on arrival – nothing to point at SC still being alive here – imo

Dog was heard to be barking before the arrival of police, or Jeremy - when operator checked telephone line (before police were deployed to the scene)...

[Lundey]

It would be useful to know more about the dog/dogs at White House Farm - their character, temperament, whether they were just pets or working dogs, what type of dogs they were, where they slept and where they were found on the morning of the shootings.  There's probably a thread somewhere that I've not yet come across (I'm working backwards from page 129 and trying to read everything!). 

[susan]

Hi Lundey  As far as I am aware the outside dog was a working Lab and was found a new home after the murders.  Crispy was an inside dog quite old and snappy and it would appear that Jeremy and Crispy were not best pals. Crispy was put to sleep after the murders as she/ probably a he was not fit to be found a new home as the doggie was old and bad tempered.  The Lab stayed in a shed outside.  Crispy was found when the police entered the farm hiding under the bed as dogs do not like gun shots unless they are trained to the gun.  Hope that helps.

[Boo]

Hi Lundey  As far as I am aware the outside dog was a working Lab and was found a new home after the murders.  Crispy was an inside dog quite old and snappy and it would appear that Jeremy and Crispy were not best pals. Crispy was put to sleep after the murders as she/ probably a he was not fit to be found a new home as the doggie was old and bad tempered.  The Lab stayed in a shed outside.  Crispy was found when the police entered the farm hiding under the bed as dogs do not like gun shots unless they are trained to the gun.  Hope that helps.

Wow poor Crispy was put down? That doesn't do JB any favours in my book 

[Jane]

Wow poor Crispy was put down? That doesn't do JB any favours in my book 

Boo, we don't know for certain that it was JB's decision and there were plenty of rellies who COULD have taken him.

[Boo]

Boo, we don't know for certain that it was JB's decision and there were plenty of rellies who COULD have taken him.

I suppose so, but i doubt anyone would have made that decision without his agreement. Anyway it is a small point I suppose 

[Lugg]

I suppose so, but i doubt anyone would have made that decision without his agreement. Anyway it is a small point I suppose 

You must remember that these were farming folk and therefore are not as sentimental as those of use who keep animals just as pets. If a dog was showing any signs of aggression  then it would have been put down. Vets were originally for farm animals and if a farm had an animal you can bet that they kept it for a reason and not just as a pet. As soon as an animal showed any sign of its age and the complaints that went with it that animal would have been put down. It is a daily and a necessary occurance on a farm. You can bet your bottom dollar that crispy was a working dog of some sort and was probably a watch dog. the yappie ones are the best. They can hear things that we humans would never hear and would have immediately have alerted the family to an intruder in the house and quite probably a long time before they even got into the house. Do not underestimate the usefulness of crispy.

[hourglass]

You must remember that these were farming folk and therefore are not as sentimental as those of use who keep animals just as pets. If a dog was showing any signs of aggression  then it would have been put down. Vets were originally for farm animals and if a farm had an animal you can bet that they kept it for a reason and not just as a pet. As soon as an animal showed any sign of its age and the complaints that went with it that animal would have been put down. It is a daily and a necessary occurance on a farm. You can bet your bottom dollar that crispy was a working dog of some sort and was probably a watch dog. the yappie ones are the best. They can hear things that we humans would never hear and would have immediately have alerted the family to an intruder in the house and quite probably a long time before they even got into the house. Do not underestimate the usefulness of crispy.

Also not forget that Crispy was the only living witness to the massacre.  Also Crispy must also be innocent as arms to short to operate rifle even with silencer.

[Lugg]

Also not forget that Crispy was the only living witness to the massacre.  Also Crispy must also be innocent as arms to short to operate rifle even with silencer.

Yes XiLi, I think that it must be universally believed on this forum that crispy was just an innocent bystander.

[mertol22]

if i did not know any better i believe this dog was barking at someone, i do know this if jeremy was the killer upon his return with the police that dog would be in a state of uncontrolled state of barking at him, to what i know , no such events took place, i feel this animal was barking at someone else.

[hourglass]

Yes XiLi, I think that it must be universally believed on this forum that crispy was just an innocent bystander.

Ah that is one name cleared anyway, I am pleased.

Pity Sheila not treated so sympathetically.  How her Hungry Ghost must scream for vengence.