Taff jones

[Bambergate]

I can confirm that Taffs accident was a accident.
Something I wanted to know for certain and its taken a few months to find out,thanks for all who have helped me get to the end of this question.
I will still keep looking for people to help Jeremy.

[Patti]

I can confirm that Taffs accident was a accident.
Something I wanted to know for certain and its taken a few months to find out,thanks for all who have helped me get to the end of this question.
I will still keep looking for people to help Jeremy.

Good job well done......

[Lugg]

I can confirm that Taffs accident was a accident.
Something I wanted to know for certain and its taken a few months to find out,thanks for all who have helped me get to the end of this question.
I will still keep looking for people to help Jeremy.

How did you find that out?

[Bambergate]

From a family member who witnessed the accident.

[Lugg]

From a family member who witnessed the accident.

So he wasn't alone when he fell off the ladder then?

[campion]

  I trust  one is absolutely for sure that it wasn't doubted.
  Lugg, you wouldn't be thinking of a certain Mandy Rice-Davies riposte now, would you?

[Roch]

From a family member who witnessed the accident.

Tragic accident involving a copper who had moral courage.  A difficult situation to approach but it serves clarity and I think you did the right thing.  I suspect they remain supportive of JB.   

[lookout]

Tragic accident involving a copper who had moral courage.  A difficult situation to approach but it serves clarity and I think you did the right thing.  I suspect they remain supportive of JB.

Well said,Roch.

[campion]

  I wonder if it is of any merit to place the following information on the forum.
  In the seventies and early eighties,  Coggeshall was on the main route, from the continent, via Harwich, to the hinterland of the UK.
  Of some seventy retail shops in that small and ancient town, roughly half of that number were engaged in the antiques trade, allied with the buying and selling of reproduction furniture.
  Some of the furniture, for instance Davenports, ladies' writing tables, writing slopes, rolltop desks etc would have secret compartments incorporated in them. The same furniture was transported to and fro as 'shipping goods'. It is possible that they could have been used as 'mules' for the carriage of illicit goods.
  In the centre of a one-way system of Coggeshall, there was/is a very large 15th century inn, latterly named the Cricketers. Sadly it burnt out, but has been refurbished.
  Sited in the large carpark, was  the mobile office  of the CID section of EP's Witham area. Obviously it performed an important function for 'plod'. The fortunate 'plods' were wont to oil their toils, in the Private Bar, with the privacy of 'lock-ins'.
  This was the busy time of the Farmer Bell mystery, the unsolved Diane Jones Case, and of course WHF.
  It was mooted at the time, by the barmaid, that the senior detective put the manageress in the family way., necessitating the disappearance of the participants of this liaison.

[maggie]

  I wonder if it is of any merit to place the following information on the forum.
  In the seventies and early eighties,  Coggeshall was on the main route, from the continent, via Harwich, to the hinterland of the UK.
  Of some seventy retail shops in that small and ancient town, roughly half of that number were engaged in the antiques trade, allied with the buying and selling of reproduction furniture.
  Some of the furniture, for instance Davenports, ladies' writing tables, writing slopes, rolltop desks etc would have secret compartments incorporated in them. The same furniture was transported to and fro as 'shipping goods'. It is possible that they could have been used as 'mules' for the carriage of illicit goods.
  In the centre of a one-way system of Coggeshall, there was/is a very large 15th century inn, latterly named the Cricketers. Sadly it burnt out, but has been refurbished.
  Sited in the large carpark, was  the mobile office  of the CID section of EP's Witham area. Obviously it performed an important function for 'plod'. The fortunate 'plods' were wont to oil their toils, in the Private Bar, with the privacy of 'lock-ins'.
  This was the busy time of the Farmer Bell mystery, the unsolved Diane Jones Case, and of course WHF.
  It was mooted at the time, by the barmaid, that the senior detective put the manageress in the family way., necessitating the disappearance of the participants of this liaison.

Hi Campion, the whole Jimmy Bell, Wilfred Bull and of course Neville Bamber saga was very interesting, I also believe that Itallian Tony lived in those parts at that time.
 He was an east end mobster, so the story goes and he also met a sticky end.  Do you ever question a connection.  Apart from Italian Tony who was more a hired gun, I think the others were all wealthy.  Jimmy Bell eventually shot his second wife after bullying and goading and abusing his first.  He also threatened June and Neville Bamber.  Wiilfred Bull, wealthy antique dealert shot his wife and of course then Nevill Bamber, another wealthy farmer, gunned down with his family, was there no connection apart from the fact they all knew each other?

Just wonder sometimes if Nevill was as squeaky clean as was claimed?

[boheme]

  I wonder if it is of any merit to place the following information on the forum.
  In the seventies and early eighties,  Coggeshall was on the main route, from the continent, via Harwich, to the hinterland of the UK.
  Of some seventy retail shops in that small and ancient town, roughly half of that number were engaged in the antiques trade, allied with the buying and selling of reproduction furniture.
  Some of the furniture, for instance Davenports, ladies' writing tables, writing slopes, rolltop desks etc would have secret compartments incorporated in them. The same furniture was transported to and fro as 'shipping goods'. It is possible that they could have been used as 'mules' for the carriage of illicit goods.
  In the centre of a one-way system of Coggeshall, there was/is a very large 15th century inn, latterly named the Cricketers. Sadly it burnt out, but has been refurbished.
  Sited in the large carpark, was  the mobile office  of the CID section of EP's Witham area. Obviously it performed an important function for 'plod'. The fortunate 'plods' were wont to oil their toils, in the Private Bar, with the privacy of 'lock-ins'.
  This was the busy time of the Farmer Bell mystery, the unsolved Diane Jones Case, and of course WHF.
  It was mooted at the time, by the barmaid, that the senior detective put the manageress in the family way., necessitating the disappearance of the participants of this liaison.

Great post ! It brings back a few memories, we used to go in that pub a lot and I remember the lock-ins, vaguely remember the Police station opposite, never seemed to have any coppers in it at night though.... It seems such a very long time ago.. there was another pub around the corner with some kind of petanque league - near the bridge, but the name escapes me, its been a private residence for years now though.... Have you any other stories from that era ? Always a pleasure to read your posts...

[campion]

  In my sub-conscious mind, I put a made-up word as an appendage to the title of this Topic. It is SKULPOKERY, - it could conversely be termed::- JIGGERYDUGGERY.
  'M', Thankyou for your colourful memories of the fraternity of Coggeshall, with its scenic and historic PayCOCKes House.
 Re Lugg's enquiries, is your forename Thomas - he of 'the doubt'?
 As to the hon. Bambergate's opening thread, I am puZZled by his assertions and lack of answers to quiZZing. Could it be he has a selective memory, and exhibited a 'Woof Woof'? Has his brain been invaded by Mertol's ( or Mat's ) aliens? May I behove him to confirm, or deny, that which Lugg poses?
  Could the info have come from Muggy? Is She LyING in the same rosestrewn bed as Stevie? One things for shaw,  they didn't get it from Wilkes'. Let's assume it emanates from Ramsden. They do appear to be singing from the same hymn/her sheet.
  I am glad to be enlightened by the 'Girls', in the matter of the toilet seat. When Farmer Bell paraded his then wife round the Camp, with her head framed with the 
bog lid, he was conveying to all and sundry, the message of her unfaithfulness.
  Thankyou, Boheme (what a lovely name) for your kind remarks.
   Off topic here - but did yuse lot see Jamie and Jimmy on Southend Pier, with Chattyman? I can foresee them being sued by the 'Froggies'.  I can recommend the m a good lawyer, it rhymes with 'Polly Parrot'

[Roch]

What might have taken place, if DCI Thomas Jones' tragic accident had not occurred? 

Is it feasible that he may have testified for the defence and if so, to what end?  Surely 'Taff' would not have been allowed to expose a scenario, that would involve Sheila being known to be alive prior to the TFG raid, a training exercise involving informatives that disturbed the crime scene, two bodies having been recorded as being found upon entry by TFG officers with open mics, two rifle sightings at upstairs windows prior to raid commencing etc etc?

How would 'Taff' have been muted and impeded from exposing any of this, while assisting the defence? The prosecution wouldn't even have got of the ground. 

[Jane]

Great post ! It brings back a few memories, we used to go in that pub a lot and I remember the lock-ins, vaguely remember the Police station opposite, never seemed to have any coppers in it at night though.... It seems such a very long time ago.. there was another pub around the corner with some kind of petanque league - near the bridge, but the name escapes me, its been a private residence for years now though.... Have you any other stories from that era ? Always a pleasure to read your posts...

The pub of which you speak was the "Portobella" run, at one time, by Anita and Alf. I wonder if we were ever there at the same time. I recall the "Crick" being taken over by the constabulary, but I'd be surprised if some of them remember being there. At least one could be certain of being let off for being "close" to the limit by saying that you'd been in the "Crick" giving a statement

[Lugg]

What might have taken place, if DCI Thomas Jones' tragic accident had not occurred? 

Is it feasible that he may have testified for the defence and if so, to what end?  Surely 'Taff' would not have been allowed to expose a scenario, that would involve Sheila being known to be alive prior to the TFG raid, a training exercise involving informatives that disturbed the crime scene, two bodies having been recorded as being found upon entry by TFG officers with open mics, two rifle sightings at upstairs windows prior to raid commencing etc etc?

How would 'Taff' have been muted and impeded from exposing any of this, while assisting the defence? The prosecution wouldn't even have got of the ground.

You realise of course that we only have extracts from his notebook. One wonders why we have never seen the whole notebook?