Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[Steve_uk]

Pamela was 82 in 2003. I don't know if anyone has further knowledge?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3159397.stm

[Jane]

Hi April1

Thank you.  I like my current festive avatar now.  You could always adopt it as your avatar?  But then Steve might no longer see you as 'enigmatic' and/or the efficient type akin to Babs Wilson.  You might receive a bottle of Blue Nun and a dirty card from Clintons instead.  Do you care?   

Desperately, NaNu I was hoping for at least a bottle of Krug or tickets for the opera

[killingeve]

I'm afraid others did remark that your avatar was redolent of female genitalia. Read back. As for the inheritance,we have been over this many times;Jeremy was cutting and running becoming the sole beneficiary of the estate after the five deaths,inheriting a flat in a smart area of London in the process.

Hi Steve_uk

As I said as an avatar with the contours less defined it is ambiguous but can we agree please that as a full blown pic it is clearly a beautiful plaque of the Mother Mary?   

You appear envious often referring to "flat in a smart area of London" and "Gresham/school fees" (school fees in general).  You seem obsessed with anything that doesn't fit your idea of egalitarianism.  The Guildford property would have been worth significantly more than the Maida Vale flat but this appears to escape your attention.  London property prices in the mid 80's were not what they are today.  I assume you're based in the North given your frequent trips to Waterstones in Manchester.

The only thing Jeremy was cutting and running from was his emotional pain from losing his adoptive family   

[lookout]

Well it was my expression not theirs,but they were at the house of Pamela and Mabel Speakman which Jeremy was avoiding lookout,with an offer to come over and sort out his mother's things. You can't get away from that.

Steve,I can't say that I blame Jeremy for not wanting to go through his mothers' things. It wasn't my cup of tea either,personally,so you can't vilify someone for not doing so.

[Jane]

Well it was my expression not theirs,but they were at the house of Pamela and Mabel Speakman which Jeremy was avoiding lookout,with an offer to come over and sort out his mother's things. You can't get away from that.

I can't beging to say what other peoples motives are, but personally I find it intrusive and distasteful to go through a deceased persons belongings. It seems to me that there is an irrevocable finality about it and should be left to closest family to be done in their time. It may be that Jeremy didn't feel able, at that time to undertake such an onerous task. However well meaning were his relatives, the task should have been left for such time he felt ready to do it.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

As I said as an avatar with the contours less defined it is ambiguous but can we agree please that as a full blown pic it is clearly a beautiful plaque of the Mother Mary?   

You appear envious often referring to "flat in a smart area of London" and "Gresham/school fees" (school fees in general).  You seem obsessed with anything that doesn't fit your idea of egalitarianism.  The Guildford property would have been worth significantly more than the Maida Vale flat but this appears to escape your attention.  London property prices in the mid 80's were not what they are today.  I assume you're based in the North given your frequent trips to Waterstones in Manchester.

The only thing Jeremy was cutting and running from was his emotional pain from losing his adoptive family 

I'd rather you didn't persist in your fantasy world of posting an avatar the significance of whose dichotomy I would rather push into history. As for Jeremy's motives,he told Doris Foakes that "I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila" and I suggest to you that it can't be made any plainer or simpler for you than that.

[killingeve]

"For safe keeping.!" I've heard that one before,,a pretty familiar expression.

Hi Lookout

The following is an excerpt from Wilkes' book:

Jeremy branded his relatives 'a pack of vultures all wanting to see what they're going to get out of it'

Jeremy admits saying words to this effect.  'By the time of the funeral.' he says, I'd already fallen out with the Boutflours and the Eatons.  No sooner had the police released the house to me than Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and David Boutflour had gone in, stolen my mother's jewellery (they said they took it with Basil Cock's permission), removed all the cash from around the house and taken all the guns, ammunition and various other items'.

'I was appalled by their actions, especially when they started claiming that Mum had said they could have this painting and that china set and other items.  What shocked me was the way they presumed it was their right to take and lay claim to whatever they fancied.  It turned me against offering them the opportunity to choose things they wanted as mementoes from the house.'

No offence to anyone close to the relatives just quoting from the book/Jeremy.

[Lugg]

I'd rather you didn't persist in your fantasy world of posting an avatar the significance of whose dichotomy I would rather push into history. As for Jeremy's motives,he told Doris Foakes that "I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila" and I suggest to you that it can't be made any plainer or simpler for you than that.

Why on earth would he tell her that? I perceive that a great deal of hearsat taken out of context is reitterated as truth on this forum?

[Jane]

I'd rather you didn't persist in your fantasy world of posting an avatar the significance of whose dichotomy I would rather push into history. As for Jeremy's motives,he told Doris Foakes that "I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila" and I suggest to you that it can't be made any plainer or simpler for you than that.

Which sounds as adult as playground talk. Sibling rivalry being played out. I imagine you would have said similar of yours, if you had any. Toys, sweets, friends, clothes, money. It's all the same with siblings and most of it is part and parcel of life.

[Lugg]

Why on earth would he tell her that? I perceive that a great deal of hearsat taken out of context is reitterated as truth on this forum?

This kind of taking things out of context reminds me of a story I once read. In the 1800's some families used to start the day with a Bible verse. The head of the family would open the Bible at a specific verse and read it out and that would become the verse for the day. A bit like those daily calendars you can get with different sayings one for each day.
On this particular day this father opened the Bible at random and his finger fell on the verse, "And Judas went and hanged himself". Oh dear, he thought. I can't give them that. So he had another go and again he opened his Bible and this time his finger lighted upon another verse. It said, "Go thou and do likewise".
That I think illustrates perfectly what I am saying here. So many people are quoted out of context of their original conversations that what they are quoted as saying if made to look more sinister than it was at the time.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Lookout

The following is an excerpt from Wilkes' book:

Jeremy branded his relatives 'a pack of vultures all wanting to see what they're going to get out of it'

Jeremy admits saying words to this effect.  'By the time of the funeral.' he says, I'd already fallen out with the Boutflours and the Eatons.  No sooner had the police released the house to me than Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and David Boutflour had gone in, stolen my mother's jewellery (they said they took it with Basil Cock's permission), removed all the cash from around the house and taken all the guns, ammunition and various other items'.

'I was appalled by their actions, especially when they started claiming that Mum had said they could have this painting and that china set and other items.  What shocked me was the way they presumed it was their right to take and lay claim to whatever they fancied.  It turned me against offering them the opportunity to choose things they wanted as mementoes from the house.'

No offence to anyone close to the relatives just quoting from the book/Jeremy.

There was an inventory made and Basil Cock had authorized it so what's the big deal. Pamela had asked Jeremy to come round and go through the things with her,and it is de rigeur to allow someone a small keepsake of the deceased's. Anyway Jeremy had had first pick when he removed the video recorder.

[Lugg]

There was an inventory made and Basil Cock had authorized it so what's the big deal. Pamela had asked Jeremy to come round and go through the things with her,and it is de rigeur to allow someone a small keepsake of the deceased. Anyway Jeremy had had first pick when he removed the video recorder.

Whats that got to do with murder?

[killingeve]

I'd rather you didn't persist in your fantasy world of posting an avatar the significance of whose dichotomy I would rather push into history. As for Jeremy's motives,he told Doris Foakes that "I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila" and I suggest to you that it can't be made any plainer or simpler for you than that.

Hi Steve_uk

You continue to raise the avatar and then when I respond you want to shelve it  .  How about you getting one?  Perhaps the Waterstones logo which will fit with your anti Amazon/tax stance and bring back sweet memories of reading Scott's book behind the pillar? 

"I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila" could mean anything    You take one sentence and then expect me to fall for it hook, line and sinker.  Please can you provide further info?  I seem to recall DF produced a wit stat so I'll have a look in the archives when I'm next on the forum.

Have to go for the daily run now so I'll catch you later next week 

[killingeve]

Which sounds as adult as playground talk. Sibling rivalry being played out. I imagine you would have said similar of yours, if you had any. Toys, sweets, friends, clothes, money. It's all the same with siblings and most of it is part and parcel of life.

Hi April1

I was going to post similar.  I often recall my mother saying you must share this, that or the other.

[Steve_uk]

Whats that got to do with murder?

It was his behaviour after the murders Lugg. To my mind everything,the murders themselves,the conversation with Charles Lawson,with Julie,with Doris Foakes,with James Richards and Robert Boutflour,his haughty behaviour with DS Jones and at trial all says to me subliminally:"Yes I did it,but you have to prove it"