Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[andrea]

I think there are real problems relying only upon photographs.  Body temperature is a very important factor in determining time of death and unfortunately here no readings were taken.  I doubt whether it will be possible to make any conclusive assessment of time of death but it may be possible to narrow the time range.

   

Thanks NGB.

[mertol22]

Andrea has a point about the images for the time frame, but today there are huge advances in this area , ways to clean up old pictures ect , it also costs time and money without full access to these images i see little headway.

[Lugg]

Andrea has a point about the images for the time frame, but today there are huge advances in this area , ways to clean up old pictures ect , it also costs time and money without full access to these images i see little headway.

It is a great pity that none of these tests were done before the trial. Altogether a very botched investigation by a very inept police force. IMO of course.

[jon]

EP had the benefit of seeing the bodies in situ at the crime scene, and afterwards at the Morgue.

Well why did they not say ' this is a stage managed scene ' , they were all very experienced police officer's , and not one of them mentioned it at first , why ?

[andrea]

Well why did they not say ' this is a stage managed scene ' , they were all very experienced police officer's , and not one of them mentioned it at first , why ?

This has all been debated ad nauseum on here before Jon.

[jon]

This has all been debated ad nauseum on here before Jon.

Yes and nobody as the answer , ask yourself , why ?

[mertol22]

It is a great pity that none of these tests were done before the trial. Altogether a very botched investigation by a very inept police force. IMO of course.

I think the 1980s were seen as the gateway to the future with huge advances in all fields , today we look at the jurasic period for the 1980s , VHS video recorders, i dont think the know how was quite there for this field, today it is and the USA for all its faults are light years ahead of us, images can be overlooked and discarded but not destroyed, i doubht jeremy was access to this cutting edge science.

[andrea]

Yes and nobody as the answer , ask yourself , why ?

Not all officers were satisfied they were dealing with four murders and and suicide. Bamber was suspected from the start by some.

[Roch]

Not all officers were satisfied they were dealing with four murders and and suicide. Bamber was suspected from the start by some.

Other than DS Jones, is there any evidence that this is the case.  It sounds like a myth to help bolster Jones' position.

[Jane]

Not all officers were satisfied they were dealing with four murders and and suicide. Bamber was suspected from the start by some.

Part of that may have been that he was immediately available. The police suspected Dr Jones of the murder of his wife, Diane, for possibly the same reason.

[andrea]

Other than DS Jones, is there any evidence that this is the case.  It sounds like a myth to help bolster Jones' position.

You think its a myth that he was suspected from the start? Jones did say himself that he suspected Bamber, didnt he?

[Roch]

You think its a myth that he was suspected from the start? Jones did say himself that he suspected Bamber, didnt he?

That's what I've read.  I've also read that the officers who knew what had taken place during the raid did not regard Jones as being 'intelligent' enough to be included in that knowledge.  Whether that is the case I really couldn't say.  But I have not read any sources of info that indicate several officers suspected JB from the start.  Only DS Jones.

[jon]

Not all officers were satisfied they were dealing with four murders and and suicide. Bamber was suspected from the start by some.

What time did he arrive at the scene ?

[andrea]

What time did he arrive at the scene ?

Cant remember off hand, it will be in a statement somewhere.

[Lugg]

Other than DS Jones, is there any evidence that this is the case.  It sounds like a myth to help bolster Jones' position.

If there is a murder the family are alsways the first in the frame regarding suspects. But this was not the case in this investigation. It was the family who were the ones who suspected Jeremy from the start. Not the police.