Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[Roch]

This site has already been brought to the depths of vulgarity by neophyte Naughty Nun(and heaven help us when she's finished Claire Powell's book)without you joining her in the abyss.

Come on Steve, the Nun cant be that evil surely? We are not the Mary Whitehouse Forum.

[lookout]

Hi lookout  how you doing.  From the way Jeremy behaved before the Court case and during the Court case he was not clever or cunning plain arrogant I would have to say and he did himself no favours at all.  I am fully aware this does not make him a mass murderer but he did himself no favours if what I read is infact true.

Hi Susan,,personality has no place in arresting and charging anyone with murder. Forensic science has.
If Jeremy had hung his head,,it would have been wrong as well. All he did, was to foolishly show-off,not even thinking he'd be charged. Body language speaks volumes.

[susan]

Hi lookout  I agree with you that Jeremy's behaviour does not make him a mass murderer but unfortunately his behaviour can be perceived by others differently and change their opinion of him.  Hope I am making sense.

[Steve_uk]

You have previously stated that Jeremy fell in the bottom 10% of the iq distribution.  If this is so he would have severe learning difficulties and be unable to function as a boarder at Gresham.  And certainly unable to organise  the murders.

Who knows how Jeremy was reacting to the tests and whether or not he was trying his hardest in front of any authority which he despised. Jeremy took two tests and in one he was in the lowest 10% of the population but in the other he scored substantially higher.

[killingeve]

Come on Steve, the Nun cant be that evil surely? We are not the Mary Whitehouse Forum.

Hi Roch

Is this you trying to be gallant towards me? 

I suspect a lot of what Steve_uk posts is said tounge in cheek 

[susan]

Hi N/N  I know that all of what steve-uk posts he firmly believes to be his truth.

[killingeve]

Hi N/N  I know that all of what steve-uk posts he firmly believes to be his truth.

Hi Susan

Really!!! 

[killingeve]

Who knows how Jeremy was reacting to the tests and whether or not he was trying his hardest in front of any authority which he despised. Jeremy took two tests and in one he was in the lowest 10% of the population but in the other he scored substantially higher.

Hi Steve_uk

I think you will find the 10% actually comes from psychometric tests showing Jeremy as low on psychopathic traits rather than an intelligence test showing a low score.

If you believe it to be an intelligence test can you please provide evidence.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

Lee Oswald and Anders Breivik both presented with very early psychological issues where reports were compiled.  No such issues have ever been identified with Jeremy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Hey Steve_uk perhaps Jeremy was able to fool everyone with his bottom 10% iq distribution.  Lol you couldn't make this stuff up, but hey you can 

Need to prepare myself now for a Crimbo luch.  Catch you later my friend 

PS Have you found the net figure for the estate yet?  Vidvic states that the estate was eventually divided up equally between Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Anthony Pargeter and Jackie Wood and each received 80k, so on this basis I reckon 436k was the gross figure?

And how much would the estate have been worth to Jeremy in another twenty years after Sheila had inherited her share of her mother's estate,another 10 years' school fees for the twins,no Maida Vale flat and the continual subbing of Sheila's bills and drug debts through June's Osea Road dividend?

[killingeve]

And how much would the estate have been worth to Jeremy in another twenty years after Sheila had inherited her share of her mother's estate,another 10 years' school fees for the twins,no Maida Vale flat and the continual subbing of Sheila's bills and drug debts through June's Osea Road dividend?

Hi Steve_uk

How does the above relate to the valid points raised in my post?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3668.msg146037.html#msg146037

The estate could have been worth a great deal more had the various businesses have gone from strength to strength and money invested wisely. 

You talk of school fees for the twins as though it is fact - it is not.  You are the only person ever to have made reference to NB and June financing school fees for the twins.  I suggest the idea is simply a figment of your fertile imagination.  I tend to keep my fertile imagination for 'Off Topic' discussion far more pleasurable 

[campion]

  Post #189,  Is it not a little known fact that Sheila and Jeremy's school and course costs were met through the generosity of wealthy Betty Bamber? Would this have generated some jealousy and animosity from Pam's offspring?

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

How does the above relate to the valid points raised in my post?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3668.msg146037.html#msg146037

The estate could have been worth a great deal more had the various businesses have gone from strength to strength and money invested wisely. 

You talk of school fees for the twins as though it is fact - it is not.  You are the only person ever to have made reference to NB and June financing school fees for the twins.  I suggest the idea is simply a figment of your fertile imagination.  I tend to keep my fertile imagination for 'Off Topic' discussion far more pleasurable 

There's a different avatar accompanying your posts every time I read them. Maybe you should stick with Audrey Hepburn in "The Nun's Story". It really doesn't matter whether the estate was £436,000 gross or net. The point was that Jeremy would inherit the lion's share with five people out of the way,brutal as it may sound,and there would be no interregnum in Jeremy's mind wondering whether June would leave her money to the church,or Nevill would become disgruntled with his performance and leave his money to Sheila and the twins.

[lookout]

  Post #189,  Is it not a little known fact that Sheila and Jeremy's school and course costs were met through the generosity of wealthy Betty Bamber? Would this have generated some jealousy and animosity from Pam's offspring?

It would indeed,campion. It certainly happened in my family,,but was soon quashed on pa's death.

[Steve_uk]

  Post #189,  Is it not a little known fact that Sheila and Jeremy's school and course costs were met through the generosity of wealthy Betty Bamber? Would this have generated some jealousy and animosity from Pam's offspring?

But why would Pamela's offspring expect to inherit any of Nevill's estate? From everything I have read all Pamela wanted was a keepsake of June which was flatly rejected by Jeremy.

[susan]

steve  what about Grannie Speakmans money she was very fond of Jeremy and quite rich and old.