Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[Caroline R]

I don't accept that Gresham's is somehow not a school for the military,and it was a compromise between the local grammar school,where Jeremy may have had to sit an entrance exam and risk failing,and the Eton,Harrow and Winchester schools which cost the earth and seem to be the breeding ground for future Prime Ministers.

Ha,ha - my dad went to Harrow for a while - he never made Prime Minister though!!

[campion]

  Steve, I wonder why it is you have to twist, or put your own slant, on that which is said? 
  Were you, and if so, when were you indeed there?
   In the Prep Schools of establishments such as Greshams, the pupils were intensively trained in graded exercises of reasoning, Thus, when they partook of the '11 plus', they all passed, except for the idiots.Hence they became County or Foundation Scholars. The actual schooling was at no cost to the parents.

[Steve_uk]

  Steve, I wonder why it is you have to twist, or put your own slant, on that which is said? 
  Were you, and if so, when were you indeed there?
   In the Prep Schools of establishments such as Greshams, the pupils were intensively trained in graded exercises of reasoning, Thus, when they partook of the '11 plus', they all passed, except for the idiots.Hence they became County or Foundation Scholars. The actual schooling was at no cost to the parents.

Well they either all pass or they don't..

[campion]

  I DO NOT FOLLOW YOU.
  You are either inane, or crass on the pass.
  I can well believe you could not have gone to, or been able to make the grade at Greshams.

[Jane]

Public schools are money-making factories and nobody is turned away-just put into a lower stream. Grammar schools are selective by ability and do turn pupils away-sorry but true.

Certainly not true of the school I attended. There were standards which if not adhered to meant dismissal. Parents had to agree to these conditions as part of their contract with the school. The schools contract with the parents and child was to provide a good education.

[Steve_uk]

  I DO NOT FOLLOW YOU.
  You are either inane, or crass on the pass.
  I can well believe you could not have gone to, or been able to make the grade at Greshams.

Go on thinking that if it helps you. Here are the fees for Gresham's.http://www.greshams.com/admissions/fees

[Lugg]

Go on thinking that if it helps you. Here are the fees for Gresham's.http://www.greshams.com/admissions/fees

Pooh. Chicken feed.

[campion]

  The fees for Greshams are of no interest to me, and not relevant to this matter.

  However, not only do I consider you to be crass on the pass, but also you talk through your ass.

[Steve_uk]

  The fees for Greshams are of no interest to me, and not relevant to this matter.

  However, not only do I consider you to be crass on the pass, but also you talk through your ass.

This site has already been brought to the depths of vulgarity by neophyte Naughty Nun(and heaven help us when she's finished Claire Powell's book)without you joining her in the abyss.

[campion]

  Heaven help you when the Naughty Nun, God bless her, kicks you up the arris in the abyss.

[killingeve]

Public schools are money-making factories and nobody is turned away-just put into a lower stream. Grammar schools are selective by ability and do turn pupils away-sorry but true.

You have previously stated that Jeremy fell in the bottom 10% of the iq distribution.  If this is so he would have severe learning difficulties and be unable to function as a boarder at Gresham.  And certainly unable to organise  the murders.

[lookout]

Jeremy was intelligent,but not clever.A heck of a difference.

[killingeve]

Maggie I can't disprove what you say about adoption and maybe april1 will contribute more understanding to your post but I see Jeremy as an amalgam of Lee Harvey Oswald and Anders Breivik in that part of him was frozen,possibly through adoption,though I'm not sure whether he would ever have lived up to anyone's expectations,as his natural father Major Leslie Grantham would probably have wanted him to have followed the same military career,and let's face it you can't get much better preparation for that than Gresham's School. Sheila too found herself unable to live up to June's simple but strict expectations of a white wedding at Tolleshunt d'Arcy church and when she did not deliver June's retribution, subliminal or not was appropriately condign.

The irony was,of course at the end of their lives the parents had reached a modus vivendi with both children and June's frozenness had thawed,as evidenced by her heartfelt letter which Sheila never got to read,and which Jeremy just stuffed into the glove compartment of his car with the throwaway remark "I'm glad she's dead",the only other comment emanating from his untroubled conscience a remark about Nevill,that he "missed the old man occasionally".

Hi Steve_uk

Lee Oswald and Anders Breivik both presented with very early psychological issues where reports were compiled.  No such issues have ever been identified with Jeremy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Hey Steve_uk perhaps Jeremy was able to fool everyone with his bottom 10% iq distribution.  Lol you couldn't make this stuff up, but hey you can 

Need to prepare myself now for a Crimbo luch.  Catch you later my friend 

PS Have you found the net figure for the estate yet?  Vidvic states that the estate was eventually divided up equally between Ann Eaton, David Boutflour, Anthony Pargeter and Jackie Wood and each received 80k, so on this basis I reckon 436k was the gross figure?

[killingeve]

Jeremy was intelligent,but not clever.A heck of a difference.

Hi Lookout

Of course Jeremy is intelligent.  It is clear from his wit stats, published letters and the way he conducts himself pre and post prison that his intelligence is above avearge.

[susan]

Hi lookout  how you doing.  From the way Jeremy behaved before the Court case and during the Court case he was not clever or cunning plain arrogant I would have to say and he did himself no favours at all.  I am fully aware this does not make him a mass murderer but he did himself no favours if what I read is infact true.