Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[Jane]

Campion, you are SUCH a naughty boy

[susan]

april  I love naughty boys

[Jane]

Me too, Susie

[susan]

april  off to Tesco's now to see if I can pick up some naughty old men

[killingeve]

Point taken,but you miss the point about Gresham's being the perfect launch pad for a career in the military. Are you egap1 reincarnated by any chance..

Hi Steve_uk

Here's a lost of Old Greshamians.  Seems diverse with no particular emphasis on military careers.  JB features in "Other". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Greshamians

A few weeks ago you were saying Old Greshamians were all landed gentry from East Anglia and that JB being the son of a tenant farmer developed an inferiority complex.

Why would JB's birth father have any influence over JB's schooling/career?

I don't know why Gresham was chosen.  Do you?

Nevill strikes me as a good all round egg.  Don't see him as the controlling type who would have wanted to influence JB or SC in any particular way or have any particular expectations.  I'm sure he encountered enough unsavoury characters in his role as a magistrate to be grateful for JB and SC, although neither were perfect.  ARE YOU?

I've read some of Egap1's posts and thought she made some good points about adoption - an area it appears largely untouched in the JB case.  Don't know much about adoption to comment on whether the points were valid or not  .  I understand she was a hot girl poster, if so that's where the similarity ends with Naughty Nun 

[susan]

Hi N/N  egap was  a real hot poster and would have made a really good naughty nun

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

Here's a lost of Old Greshamians.  Seems diverse with no particular emphasis on military careers.  JB features in "Other". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Greshamians

A few weeks ago you were saying Old Greshamians were all landed gentry from East Anglia and that JB being the son of a tenant farmer developed an inferiority complex.

Why would JB's birth father have any influence over JB's schooling/career?

I don't know why Gresham was chosen.  Do you?

Nevill strikes me as a good all round egg.  Don't see him as the controlling type who would have wanted to influence JB or SC in any particular way or have any particular expectations.  I'm sure he encountered enough unsavoury characters in his role as a magistrate to be grateful for JB and SC, although neither were perfect.  ARE YOU?

I've read some of Egap1's posts and thought she made some good points about adoption - an area it appears largely untouched in the JB case.  Don't know much about adoption to comment on whether the points were valid or not  .  I understand she was a hot girl poster, if so that's where the similarity ends with Naughty Nun 

Nevill and June were not quite in the Charles and Diana league and with their background of growing up in austerity and taught to watch every penny I believe they settled on Gresham's for Jeremy as a compromise which would mean he would receive the best education whilst not having to associate with local Essex boys whom Nevill explained Jeremy might one day have to employ.

Once again you are wrong about Gresham's military tradition which by Jeremy's time manifested itself in the Combined Cadet Force. There's no doubt in my mind that teachers at the school would have discussed this as a possible career for Jeremy,since he had impressed the other boys with his shooting skills,yet possibly on speech days Nevill or June would have indicated that their son was destined for a farming career.

[Jane]

Nevill and June were not quite in the Charles and Diana league and with their background of growing up in austerity and taught to watch every penny I believe they settled on Gresham's for Jeremy as a compromise which would mean he would receive the best education whilst not having to associate with local Essex boys whom Nevill explained Jeremy might one day have to employ.

Once again you are wrong about Gresham's military tradition which by Jeremy's time manifested itself in the Combined Cadet Force. There's no doubt in my mind that teachers at the school would have discussed this as a possible career for Jeremy,since he had impressed the other boys with his shooting skills,yet possibly on speech days Nevill or June would have indicated that their son was destined for a farming career.

A compromise to what, I wonder. There are at least three perfectly good schools in the area, Felsted, Gosfield, and Haileybury, none of which, I'm sure, would have bought him into contact with his potential employees. I've looked very hard for someting which tell me that Gresham's has a tradition of grooming pupils for the military, but have found none, however it's possible that out of hours activities were organized for boarders. My own school had a pony club and a Guide troup, perhaps Gresham's opted for cadets.

[campion]

  Gresham's is a Public School, as defined by its Headmaster being on the Headmaster's Conference.
 The CCF was obligatory for all scholars, on attaining the 4th form of Main School. I have not seen it quoted, to which section of the Force Jeremy was attached, or what rank, if any, was achieved. Rifleshooting was a minor part of the activities, being engaged upon in exercises, and Field Days. The most intensive and exciting part, was the fortnight's Summer Camp. This was when cadets had the opportunity to shoot, by accident, at each other,with the cumbersome Lee Enfield .303's.
  Do we know where Nevill went to school?
  Of course we know, after the war, he went to Cirencester Agricultural College, near wher Sheila was later born, at Gloucester. That would have been a very expensive course.
  RWB was trained there, where his father, Bobby B...F.... was head of the College, wrote his book -'The Book of the Cow, and resided at the Dairy Farm.

[Jane]

  Gresham's is a Public School, as defined by its Headmaster being on the Headmaster's Conference.
 The CCF was obligatory for all scholars, on attaining the 4th form of Main School. I have not seen it quoted, to which section of the Force Jeremy was attached, or what rank, if any, was achieved. Rifleshooting was a minor part of the activities, being engaged upon in exercises, and Field Days. The most intensive and exciting part, was the fortnight's Summer Camp. This was when cadets had the opportunity to shoot, by accident, at each other,with the cumbersome Lee Enfield .303's.
  Do we know where Nevill went to school?
  Of course we know, after the war, he went to Cirencester Agricultural College, near wher Sheila was later born, at Gloucester. That would have been a very expensive course.
  RWB was trained there, where his father, Bobby B...F.... was head of the College, wrote his book -'The Book of the Cow, and resided at the Dairy Farm.

Campion, I believe I'm correct in saying that Gresham's has an excellent music  and drama department.

[campion]

  And another thing, every scholar was required to be in the 'Corps'
  Unwilling alleged Conscientious Objectors were consigned to the Bearer platoon, usually under the command of the Chaplain. They had no access to, or instruction in weaponry. But they did, as schoolboys would, enjoin in battle with their stretchers!

[Steve_uk]

I don't accept that Gresham's is somehow not a school for the military,and it was a compromise between the local grammar school,where Jeremy may have had to sit an entrance exam and risk failing,and the Eton,Harrow and Winchester schools which cost the earth and seem to be the breeding ground for future Prime Ministers.

[Jane]

I don't accept that Gresham's is somehow not a school for the military,and it was a compromise between the local grammar school,where Jeremy may have had to sit an entrance exam and risk failing,and the Eton,Harrow and Winchester schools which cost the earth and seem to be the breeding ground for future Prime Ministers.

I may be mistaken, but I thought CE was required for all public schools. Even if the pupil is in lower school, CE is still required for entrance to upper school.

[Steve_uk]

I may be mistaken, but I thought CE was required for all public schools. Even if the pupil is in lower school, CE is still required for entrance to upper school.

Public schools are money-making factories and nobody is turned away-just put into a lower stream. Grammar schools are selective by ability and do turn pupils away-sorry but true.

[susan]

Hi april public and private schools have an entrance examination even Grammar schools where I went you had to pass the 11 plus to get in.