Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

You told me you got the figure from Wilkes' book and that it stated 436k was the net figure.  The book makes no ref to net or gross.  Where do you get two sets of death duties from?  The estate would have been treated as a whole and the tax charged accordingly.

Why do you perceive the fact that Jeremy travelled around the Antipodes and worked at Little Chef before settling down on the farm negatively?  Please can you answer?

My partner has two law degrees.  However before he joined a firm to do his articles he bummed around as a motorbike messenger for a year.

Upon graduating I travelled around Europe with friends interrailing.  My then half English half Italian boyfriend found me a job as an au pair with an Italian family.  Through the family I then got a job as a chalet maid in a ski resort.  Had a ball for about 18 months until my dad told me times up and I got a 'proper job' and have had a 'proper job' ever since.

Millions of young adults all over the world take time out to 'find themselves', think about what they want to do long-term and have some fun before settling down. 

Steve_uk I don't wish to sound rude but I do find your posts rather narrow and judgemental and I cannot help but think that it was this sort of mentality that convicted Jeremy rather than any 'firm evidence'.

I'm afraid the animosity you caused today by calling me a fairy lingers on,however much you play the innocent card,which was anyway well and truly tarnished the moment you joined this site and displayed your pornography for all and sundry to see,including children I might add. I will look into the £436,000 figure,but I have read that it was after death duties were paid,and it's also my understanding that two lots of death duties were liable as June and Nevill both willed their estates to each other.

As for Jeremy,could we both agree that this man was not a career farmer,thank you.

[susan]

april  Great news Girls only bet the men will be peeping to see what we are talking about.  Great idea Mrs. Mod.

[Jane]

I'm afraid the animosity you caused today by calling me a fairy lingers on,however much you play the innocent card,which was anyway well and truly tarnished the moment you joined this site and displayed your pornography for all and sundry to see,including children I might add. I will look into the £436,000 figure,but I have read that it was after death duties were paid,and it's also my understanding that two lots of death duties were liable as June and Nevill both willed their estates to each other.

As for Jeremy,could we both agree that this man was not a career farmer,thank you.

Steve, please forgive me. This has nothing to do with your post. I was saddened to see that I'd been omitted from your Christmas list, but since I read that you weren't quite certain where Caroline and I fitted, I've been wearing a very broad grin. I will share a secret with you. Most of the time I have no Idea where I fit, either

[Steve_uk]

To be fair to Naughty Nun for a moment I can't back up the £436,000 net figure yet,as I can't find the source. However in Claire Powell's book we have a figure of £500,000 mentioned in the "Aftermath" section. There is also a reference to June Bamber's will of £229,270 which was to be shared between Jeremy and the other four victims. Nevill had left the farm to Jeremy as long as he had passed the competent farmer threshold test to be determined by the trustees,which is why one found Jeremy going through the motions of farming that final year,Jeremy inheriting a similar sum from Nevill's estate.

Thus upon the death of the five individuals that morning Jeremy was set to inherit a considerable sum,in addition to the Maida Vale flat of which he was so envious,the prospect of which proved just too tempting as he wandered across the reeds and sea lavender of Goldhanger,his mind covertly set upon the bright lights of London.

[Lugg]

To be fair to Naughty Nun for a moment I can't back up the £436,000 net figure yet,as I can't find the source. However in Claire Powell's book we have a figure of £500,000 mentioned in the "Aftermath" section. There is also a reference to June Bamber's will of £229,270 which was to be shared between Jeremy and the other four victims. Nevill had left the farm to Jeremy as long as he had passed the competent farmer threshold test to be determined by the trustees,which is why one found Jeremy going through the motions of farming that final year,Jeremy inheriting a similar sum from Nevill's estate.

Thus upon the death of the five individuals that morning Jeremy was set to inherit a considerable sum,in addition to the Maida Vale flat of which he was so envious,the prospect of which proved just too tempting as he wandered across the reeds and sea lavender of Goldhanger,his mind covertly set upon the bright lights of London.

What I find  strange of course is that when some speak of the inheritance where Jeremy is concerned it is a "considerable sum". But when those same people answer the fact that the same inheritance regarding the relatives. I morphs into "not that much".

[Jane]

What I find  strange of course is that when some speak of the inheritance where Jeremy is concerned it is a "considerable sum". But when those same people answer the fact that the same inheritance regarding the relatives. I morphs into "not that much".

Lugg, it probably depends on how much one already has. To me, half a million is a "considerable sum". To someone who is worth considerably more than I, it's perhaps, "not that much."

[Roch]

How come Steve singles me out for three Christmas cards?  :D

[Steve_uk]

How come Steve singles me out for three Christmas cards?  :D

Are Dolly Peel and Dolly Parton your pseudonyms?

[killingeve]

How come Steve singles me out for three Christmas cards?  :D

Hi Roch

Will you single me out for one?

[killingeve]

To be fair to Naughty Nun for a moment I can't back up the £436,000 net figure yet,as I can't find the source. However in Claire Powell's book we have a figure of £500,000 mentioned in the "Aftermath" section. There is also a reference to June Bamber's will of £229,270 which was to be shared between Jeremy and the other four victims. Nevill had left the farm to Jeremy as long as he had passed the competent farmer threshold test to be determined by the trustees,which is why one found Jeremy going through the motions of farming that final year,Jeremy inheriting a similar sum from Nevill's estate.

Thus upon the death of the five individuals that morning Jeremy was set to inherit a considerable sum,in addition to the Maida Vale flat of which he was so envious,the prospect of which proved just too tempting as he wandered across the reeds and sea lavender of Goldhanger,his mind covertly set upon the bright lights of London.

Hi Steve_uk

My copy of Claire Powell's book is winging its way to me.  I believe 500k is a figure that has been mooted but that the 436k is a more accurate GROSS figure.  The CoA doc states 436k.  Given that the motivation for the murders was supposedly greed/Jeremy fast forwarding his inheritance, there appears to be a distinct lack of knowledge surrounding the financial aspect eg the net value of the estate, how it was made up, the inheritance tax liability and how the money was raised to pay the liability etc.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

My copy of Claire Powell's book is winging its way to me.  I believe 500k is a figure that has been mooted but that the 436k is a more accurate GROSS figure.  The CoA doc states 436k.  Given that the motivation for the murders was supposedly greed/Jeremy fast forwarding his inheritance, there appears to be a distinct lack of knowledge surrounding the financial aspect eg the net value of the estate, how it was made up, the inheritance tax liability and how the money was raised to pay the liability etc.

Jeremy was killing several birds with one stone,or in his case with 25 bullets. Jeremy fast-forwarding his inheritance was exactly what he was doing,and taking Sheila's birthright into the bargain. Upon Nevill's death which left to the natural state of play would probably have occurred first Jeremy inherits the farm as long as he is working the land productively,along with the lion's share of Nevill's money,apart from a £10,000 bequest to Sheila. However Jeremy only inherits a fifth of June's estate should she die first. Given that Jeremy after the murders inherits all of June's money,a woman whom he couldn't stand,along with the Maida Vale flat which must be worth close to £1 million in today's money,I'm afraid the suggestion that there was no monetary motive involved wears very thin.

[killingeve]

I'm afraid the animosity you caused today by calling me a fairy lingers on,however much you play the innocent card,which was anyway well and truly tarnished the moment you joined this site and displayed your pornography for all and sundry to see,including children I might add. I will look into the £436,000 figure,but I have read that it was after death duties were paid,and it's also my understanding that two lots of death duties were liable as June and Nevill both willed their estates to each other.

As for Jeremy,could we both agree that this man was not a career farmer,thank you.

Hi Steve_uk

Re the estate etc plse see my previous post.

No I am sorry I don't agree that Jeremy was not a career farmer. 

Colin states in his book that he and Jeremy shared an interest in growing things (besides cannabis) and visited Kew Gardens together.

Jeremy CHOSE to work on a farm(s) whilst travelling the Antipodes. 

Upon taking up his role at WHF Jeremy attended several training courses sharing his new found knowledge with Nevill who was interested in Jeremy's views/new ideas.

I understand Jeremy keeps up with Countryfile in prison.

Nevill was a fair and decent man who wanted the best for his adopted son whether he chose to be a farmer or not.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve_uk

Re the estate etc plse see my previous post.

No I am sorry I don't agree that Jeremy was not a career farmer. 

Colin states in his book that he and Jeremy shared an interest in growing things (besides cannabis) and visited Kew Gardens together.

Jeremy CHOSE to work on a farm(s) whilst travelling the Antipodes. 

Upon taking up his role at WHF Jeremy attended several training courses sharing his new found knowledge with Nevill who was interested in Jeremy's views/new ideas.

I understand Jeremy keeps up with Countryfile in prison.

Nevill was a fair and decent man who wanted the best for his adopted son whether he chose to be a farmer or not.

Thank God you weren't the third woman juror at Jeremy's trial. Jeremy bummed around Australia and New Zealand with Brett Collins,burgling a jewellers shop in the process and stealing two expensive watches. He came back to England and got a job at Little Chef off the A11 rather than associate with his obnoxious parents. He grew cannabis illicitly at Goldhanger to fund his £150 a time parties at Fifi's in Colchester,where he picked up girls serially to bring back to his rented Goldhanger cottage.He burgled the Osea Road Caravan park family business,scattering documents as red herrings in the office the way he did with Sheila in the master bedroom. Nevill foretold presciently his own death and did not live out the shooting season.

[killingeve]

Jeremy was killing several birds with one stone,or in his case with 25 bullets. Jeremy fast-forwarding his inheritance was exactly what he was doing,and taking Sheila's birthright into the bargain. Upon Nevill's death which left to the natural state of play would probably have occurred first Jeremy inherits the farm as long as he is working the land productively,along with the lion's share of Nevill's money,apart from a £10,000 bequest to Sheila. However Jeremy only inherits a fifth of June's estate should she die first. Given that Jeremy after the murders inherits all of June's money,a woman whom he couldn't stand,along with the Maida Vale flat which must be worth close to £1 million in today's money,I'm afraid the suggestion that there was no monetary motive involved wears very thin.

Hi Steve_uk

One more before bedtime.  Of course it could be said that Jeremy murdered his family to fast forward a significant inheritance but there's actually no proof of this whatsoever.  Many children are due to inherit significant sums from their parents but those that kill are virtually unheard of.  I would suggest the reason it was/is believed that Jeremy killed his family is based on the simple fact that he was adopted.

[maggie]

Hi Steve_uk

One more before bedtime.  Of course it could be said that Jeremy murdered his family to fast forward a significant inheritance but there's actually no proof of this whatsoever.  Many children are due to inherit significant sums from their parents but those that kill are virtually unheard of.  I would suggest the reason it was/is believed that Jeremy killed his family is based on the simple fact that he was adopted.

I believe you are absolutely right on this.