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Offline Jane

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2012, 11:07:AM »
Morning Lugg you are forgetting steve referred to the post which I would have thought he meant his own as full of inaccuracies and that is what put him in a bad mood  :) :) :)



I wonder if that suggests a deliberate inclusion of inaccuracies in order to invite reaction? Only a thought, mind you ;D

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2012, 11:18:AM »

Is Steve a teacher,Lugg.?
Well he's always trying to teach us? ::)

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2012, 11:20:AM »
  Susan et al,  I am somewhat perturbed at the level of hostility, by BIB afficionados, to Steve uk's manifestations.
  I must say I admire him/her for their tenacity.
  It takes a big person to admit to his/her failings. All credit to him/her.
  Have a putty medal Steve uk.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2012, 11:30:AM »


Good morning, my friend. I read through Steve's post last night and frankly, deemed it such rubbish that had I responded I may/PROBABLY have been quite rude. ;D ;D ;D

Morning April! Well, you could always have used the excuse that you were in a bad mood!!  ;)

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2012, 11:41:AM »
I always try to be fair and balanced in my comments,but tonight I will make an exception. The comments contained in your six paragraphs are complete rubbish:

1)Jeremy might have stayed at the farm of a distant relative of Nevill's in New Zealand but his heart was not in farming work,but on a deep sea diving course,in which he did not excel. The medical necessary for completion of the course was not passed to my knowledge due to pressure in Jeremy's head caused when June dropped him as a baby. That actually raises more food for thought,but since I'm often accused of bias against Jeremy I will remain tight-lipped. As for Jeremy's plans after the murders,well he was waiting on tenterhooks at Maida Vale for Anji Greaves to telephone and couldn't think much further than a physical encounter with her,but I believe a wine bar in Dorset was mentioned which I could in fairness see Jeremy running rather like Tom Cruise in the film "Cocktail".

2) As you say the house contents were underinsured so you've answered your own point there. Why destroy valuable antiques when you can shoot five residents with a gun and then plunder the house accordingly?

3)The state of the five individuals whom Jeremy shot dead was his justification inside his own head for carrying out the murders,at least offering Julie a humanitarian side to his character as he still wanted to keep her sweet after the murders. Jeremy had had limited experience of women beyond the physical and was no match for Julie on the intellectual front. Nevill was off sick from the magistrates job with stress and was doing more than his fair share of the labour at the farm as Jeremy was averse to getting his hands dirty and would not work overtime. June had retreated into her own world that last year,trying to look on the bright side,but as Barbara Wilson noticed she would often end up in floods of tears. Sheila was on the edge of another breakdown,though may have been stabilized with a repeat injection and more Electroconvulsive treatment,which alleviated the symptoms of schizophrenia but made her drowsy,vacant and suffer from short-term memory loss. The twins' thoughts were more transparent as with their artistic bent inherited from their father they made known their angst at the farm in their sombre drawings,one perusal of which by Jeremy would be the justification that they too would be better off out of this world with the adults,and Colin would be able to look for regular work and start life afresh.

4)Jeremy was living well beyond his means,which is the main reason why he burgled the Osea Park Caravan site from where he stole £800. He had bought carpets and curtains for Goldhanger,along with a new stereo system and sunbed,causing Nevill to remark that he "hoped Jeremy has a kind bank manager",possibly not realizing that he was using the latter to dry out cannabis which he would flog to all and sundry at pubs and clubs,to fund his lavish spending in bars and restaurants to impress the ladies who frequented them.

5)Of course there is no way one knows for sure whether Nevill and June were planning on financing private education for their grandsons,but is it really beyond the realms of possibility that they were doing so? Colin may or may not have agreed,but had he been consulted he may well have acquiesced in sending them to a local private day school in London where they would have received a head start and allowed Colin more leeway to find work and see them in the evenings. As the children grew older there was a risk that they could have replaced Jeremy in the affections of his parents which Jeremy was not going to allow to happen.

6) Jeremy was set to inherit £436,000 net at 1985 prices,which I'm guessing would be over £2 million today. Unshackled from the tenancy of White House Farm,which he did not even desire to enter after the murders,let alone take charge of,he would temporarily ensconce himself at a flat in a fashionable area of London,which he had inherited as a direct result of Sheila's death. Why wait for the passage of time which could only eat into his inheritance when he could inherit the lion's share of both his adoptive parents' estate should they die at the same time? There would then be no need for concern should June decide to leave money to the church or Jeremy's nephews;he would nip it in the bud and remain the sole beneficiary.

Hi Steve_uk

Your posts are well written 10/10.  But then I would expect no less from someone like your good self  ;)

However, we (members of the forum) are debating a TRUE crime.  It is not fiction.  I find your posts 'wordy'.  You refuse to stick to the FACTS and/or supply any supporting EVIDENCE to back up your assertions.

Unless you post something new I will not be responding further as we end up going round and round in circles which imo is a complete waste of time.

Please can you supply EVIDENCE that the estate valued at 436k is net of inheritance tax.

436k in 1985 would equate to £1,103,080 in today's terms based on inflation/retail prices index and not your GUESS of over 2 million today.  Your calculations are no different to your posts in that they are based on your personal guesses, are wildly inaccurate and misleading.


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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2012, 11:48:AM »
  Susan et al,  I am somewhat perturbed at the level of hostility, by BIB afficionados, to Steve uk's manifestations.
  I must say I admire him/her for their tenacity.
  It takes a big person to admit to his/her failings. All credit to him/her.
  Have a putty medal Steve uk.


Campion? Hostility!! Towards Steve :o  US?? NEVER :) How could you :'( As for admitting to failings, I fear there is not the space available to list all of my own, but if there was, I have the humility(and modesty :D)to admit to them. I agree entirely that Steve has tenacity in spade loads....................but I fear that when humility was being handed out, Steve may have been lost in the crush :)

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2012, 08:02:PM »
Hi Steve_uk

Your posts are well written 10/10.  But then I would expect no less from someone like your good self  ;)

However, we (members of the forum) are debating a TRUE crime.  It is not fiction.  I find your posts 'wordy'.  You refuse to stick to the FACTS and/or supply any supporting EVIDENCE to back up your assertions.

Unless you post something new I will not be responding further as we end up going round and round in circles which imo is a complete waste of time.

Please can you supply EVIDENCE that the estate valued at 436k is net of inheritance tax.

436k in 1985 would equate to £1,103,080 in today's terms based on inflation/retail prices index and not your GUESS of over 2 million today.  Your calculations are no different to your posts in that they are based on your personal guesses, are wildly inaccurate and misleading.

The £436,000 is a net figure garnered from Roger Wilkes' book.
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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2012, 08:30:PM »
My Christmas Card List 2012

Patti: an angel always singing from the same hymn sheet.

Colin Caffell: anything with a robin on.

Susan Ingham: a card with Dancer and Prancer.

Lookout: a bottle of Blue Nun,an umbrella to scare the crows away and a nodding donkey to agree wholeheartedly with whatever Mike says.

Naughty Nun: another bottle of Blue Nun which she can drink with the vicar in the sacristy,along with one of those dirty cards from Clinton's.

Rochford Dolly Peel: a Christmas cake with candied peel.

Rochford Dolly Parton: any card with two dumplings on.

Roch,Campion and Jim Ignatowski
: a card with the Three Wise Men.

June Bamber: a card with the Madonna and Child.

Jeremy Bamber: no card this year,just the money.

Mike: a card depicting children with lots of humbugs,a sleigh on the rear of which a sign  reading:"Pull the other one,it's got bells on.."

Members may add to the list where they think necessary.
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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2012, 08:39:PM »
My Christmas Card List 2012

Patti: an angel always singing from the same hymn sheet.

Colin Caffell: anything with a robin on.

Susan Ingham: a card with Dancer and Prancer.

Lookout: a bottle of Blue Nun,an umbrella to scare the crows away and a nodding donkey to agree wholeheartedly with whatever Mike says.

Naughty Nun: another bottle of Blue Nun which she can drink with the vicar in the sacristy,along with one of those dirty cards from Clinton's.

Rochford Dolly Peel: a Christmas cake with candied peel.

Rochford Dolly Parton: any card with two dumplings on.

Roch,Campion and Jim Ignatowski
: a card with the Three Wise Men.

June Bamber: a card with the Madonna and Child.

Jeremy Bamber: no card this year,just the money.

Mike: a card depicting children with lots of humbugs,a sleigh on the rear of which a sign  reading:"Pull the other one,it's got bells on.."

Members may add to the list where they think necessary.

Oi! lolol  :D :D :D :D

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2012, 08:46:PM »
 Hey Steve,,what's with the crows.?

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2012, 08:48:PM »
Hey Steve,,what's with the crows.?

Sorry no crows,just an umbrella you need for protection like all of us feeling the pull of middle age. Will my post get through the censors? It's touch and go..

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2012, 08:50:PM »
Sorry no crows,just an umbrella you need for protection like all of us feeling the pull of middle age. Will my post get through the censors? It's touch and go..


Aww,Steve,you're so kind,but I'm beyond middle age darling.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2012, 11:05:PM »
My Christmas Card List 2012

Patti: an angel always singing from the same hymn sheet.

Colin Caffell: anything with a robin on.

Susan Ingham: a card with Dancer and Prancer.

Lookout: a bottle of Blue Nun,an umbrella to scare the crows away and a nodding donkey to agree wholeheartedly with whatever Mike says.

Naughty Nun: another bottle of Blue Nun which she can drink with the vicar in the sacristy,along with one of those dirty cards from Clinton's.

Rochford Dolly Peel: a Christmas cake with candied peel.

Rochford Dolly Parton: any card with two dumplings on.

Roch,Campion and Jim Ignatowski
: a card with the Three Wise Men.

June Bamber: a card with the Madonna and Child.

Jeremy Bamber: no card this year,just the money.

Mike: a card depicting children with lots of humbugs,a sleigh on the rear of which a sign  reading:"Pull the other one,it's got bells on.."

Members may add to the list where they think necessary.

OY! Where's mine!!

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2012, 11:08:PM »
OY! Where's mine!!

I can't write about people I can't envisage in my mind: you come into the Barbara Wilson category,along with april1 and a few other people.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2012, 11:27:PM »
I can't write about people I can't envisage in my mind: you come into the Barbara Wilson category,along with april1 and a few other people.

Elaborate?