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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2012, 12:34:AM »
yes patti Ed, his son is buried near him he died in a car crash,  Ed will always be Commander Straker of S.H.A.D.O.

What does S H A D O mean.....I'm not a technical person, in fact I fear technology.....Btw, where is Bridget and Roch tonight...Ha! xxxx

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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2012, 12:41:AM »
What does S H A D O mean.....I'm not a technical person, in fact I fear technology.....Btw, where is Bridget and Roch tonight...Ha! xxxx
Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organisation i believe patti, as im up at 6am i will bid you a goodnight, i will be at A1M Services late Friday night so i will drop by then.

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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2012, 01:22:AM »
Hi Curiousessex

I have often wondered about Brett Collins.  I understand he was around after the tragedy as he had some interest/knowledge about antiques and Jeremy needed to sell off family heirlooms to meet the substantial inheritance tax liability.  I believe he did attend the trial?  I guess lots of people that  believed in Jeremy's innocence felt helpless and eventually fell by the wayside? 

Sadly it doesn't appear that Jeremy or Sheila had many genuine friends of long-standing.  They don't appear to have kept in touch with anyone from school and as they were boarders miles away from WHF missed out on forming friendships with locals via school and after school activities.  Jeremy worked on the farm so that would have limited any work related friendships and it appeared Sheila never had a regular paid job.  What friends they had seem to have been made via visiting pubs and bars.

The need to sell off antiques quickly was the story Jeremy spun to the relatives. The fact was that Jeremy stood to inherit an estate worth £436,000 in 1985 money. Of course the sending of the family heirlooms to Sotheby's was a bonus to Jeremy,and one of the reasons he didn't proceed with his plan at Christmas 1984 to burn down the farmhouse,lest they were destroyed.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2012, 01:30:AM »
Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organisation i believe patti, as im up at 6am i will bid you a goodnight, i will be at A1M Services late Friday night so i will drop by then.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2012, 01:35:AM »
The need to sell off antiques quickly was the story Jeremy spun to the relatives. The fact was that Jeremy stood to inherit an estate worth £436,000 in 1985 money. Of course the sending of the family heirlooms to Sotheby's was a bonus to Jeremy,and one of the reasons he didn't proceed with his plan at Christmas 1984 to burn down the farmhouse,lest they were destroyed.

Hi Steve he had tax to pay and funerals..... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2012, 01:35:AM »
I am wondering when it was that Jeremy 'went off the rails' and began to get into trouble.  I know there are rumours from his time in Australia but they are only rumours and don't know if they emerged after he was convicted of murder. 

So was he in trouble before he teamed up with Julie?  Makes you wonder who the ring leader was and who the follower was or if they just made a good pair.  I don't believe he was in any trouuble with the police while in a relationship with Suzette Ford??

Steve always maintains Julie was the innocent one influenced by Jeremy but maybe it was the otherway round and maybe Jeremy was a bit of a follower who was very influenced by whoever he was mixing with at the time?

I think maybe he was influenced by the in-crowd and certainly influenced by flash people with money,none of which matches Julie's description. Julie busied herself with the everyday tasks which needed doing at Goldhanger in her spare time and played the role of ersatz mother to Jeremy,who faced with the volatility of mother and sister appreciated the stability Julie brought him.

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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2012, 08:12:AM »
The need to sell off antiques quickly was the story Jeremy spun to the relatives. The fact was that Jeremy stood to inherit an estate worth £436,000 in 1985 money. Of course the sending of the family heirlooms to Sotheby's was a bonus to Jeremy,and one of the reasons he didn't proceed with his plan at Christmas 1984 to burn down the farmhouse,lest they were destroyed.
Thought this was an interesting read steve this might account for the need to sell the antiques quickly?The family accountant had confirmed that Nevill’s bank account was overdrawn by almost £100,000; [6] all of the estate was tied up in assets. Nevill had borrowed this money to convert his estate in Guildford into five houses. Jeremy had the responsibility of running the farm at harvest time, coping with the funerals of his family, the shock, his grief and the prospect of having little money for funerals as well as paying staff wages. He was an inexperienced farmer at just 24 years old, and Basil Cock had advised that Jeremy appoint Peter Eaton as farm manager to help. Jeremy was also advised that death duties would be high and he would have to find ways of cutting down costs. At the time inheritance duties were 40% of all monies inherited over £200,000. The financial difficulty Jeremy faced was because he was to inherit both his parent’s estates at once. The accountant told him that he would owe around £80,000 in tax.

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2012, 08:18:AM »
Thought this was an interesting read steve this might account for the need to sell the antiques quickly?The family accountant had confirmed that Nevill’s bank account was overdrawn by almost £100,000; [6] all of the estate was tied up in assets. Nevill had borrowed this money to convert his estate in Guildford into five houses. Jeremy had the responsibility of running the farm at harvest time, coping with the funerals of his family, the shock, his grief and the prospect of having little money for funerals as well as paying staff wages. He was an inexperienced farmer at just 24 years old, and Basil Cock had advised that Jeremy appoint Peter Eaton as farm manager to help. Jeremy was also advised that death duties would be high and he would have to find ways of cutting down costs. At the time inheritance duties were 40% of all monies inherited over £200,000. The financial difficulty Jeremy faced was because he was to inherit both his parent’s estates at once. The accountant told him that he would owe around £80,000 in tax.
This has always puzzled me? If it was jeremy why do it at the farms buisiest period and the holiday parks buisiest period?

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2012, 08:25:AM »
I'm afraid Jeremy didn't have much of a brain where money,or saving money was concerned. He could have saved himself thousands by secreting valuable items away from WHF before probate began. So there was no forward thinking there,,which to me,neither was there anything pre-meditated about the murders that he's been blamed for.
If he'd been intelligent/clever,and cunning,he'd have worked everything out to a fine art.
As it happened,the tragedy wasn't a pre-planned one,,but a spur of the moment frenzied killing caused by a multitude of problems by the person who carried it out.

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2012, 01:09:PM »
Thought this was an interesting read steve this might account for the need to sell the antiques quickly?The family accountant had confirmed that Nevill’s bank account was overdrawn by almost £100,000; [6] all of the estate was tied up in assets. Nevill had borrowed this money to convert his estate in Guildford into five houses. Jeremy had the responsibility of running the farm at harvest time, coping with the funerals of his family, the shock, his grief and the prospect of having little money for funerals as well as paying staff wages. He was an inexperienced farmer at just 24 years old, and Basil Cock had advised that Jeremy appoint Peter Eaton as farm manager to help. Jeremy was also advised that death duties would be high and he would have to find ways of cutting down costs. At the time inheritance duties were 40% of all monies inherited over £200,000. The financial difficulty Jeremy faced was because he was to inherit both his parent’s estates at once. The accountant told him that he would owe around £80,000 in tax.

Hi Ralph

You hit on some good points in your post. It was like you say the, height of the season regarding harvesting and Jeremy may have needed to raise cash for a number of reasons.  His inheritance wasn't so straight forward really.... :) :) :) :)

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2012, 01:13:PM »
Jeremy's first plan was to burn the house down,which was no financial loss in itself as it was tenanted by the Bambers but owned by the Henry Smith Trust. However as greed was the main motive for the murders(as it had been when he burgled the jewellers shop in New Zealand and the Osea Road Caravan Park)he realized that in case of fire valuable antiques would be destoyed including a Meissen clock and other family heirlooms. The remark that Jeremy cared for farming in the slightest was a complete joke,the reality being that Nevill's will tied Jeremy to the farm until his death,and as Jeremy told Julie when she asked him why he didn't just walk away:"Because I have got too much to lose".

So we have a situation whereby Jeremy is looking for an occasion when all five family members would be under the same roof,and this occurred at the Christmas of 1984,though Jeremy copped out,possibly through the feelings of the general Christmas spirit which may have permeated even Jeremy's godless existence. It is probable that he came to regret this missed opportunity as the desire to do away with his family becomes stronger as his avarice is heightened due to his constant living beyond his means,trying to impress at every social function as often nonentities like Jeremy do,and he witnesses the failing health of Nevill,June retreating into her despairing shell,Sheila teetering on the brink of destruction,guilty of omission in her sons' upbringing, and the sombre drawings of the twins on the mahogany table in the lounge at White House farm give him the raison d'etre he needs to exculpate himself morally-that he will be doing them all a favour really as they are all disturbed and frail and their deaths would be a mercy.

Jeremy's one strong point at Gresham's was arithmetic,inherited from his biological father Major Leslie Marsham who had a job in the field,and he realized that with school fees for the boys and psychiatric care for Sheila and possibly June in the offing which would eat into his inheritance he would cut and run and with the opportunity in the first week in August presenting itself Jeremy ventured to execute his evil plan.

The £436,000 inheritance was a net figure after all death duties had been paid. Jeremy had also inherited a flat in a fashionable area of London as a direct result of the killings,and finally had the trappings of success which allowed him to leave farming behind, and move him up the social scale,affording him the kind of life to which he had always aspired,yet which inadvertently his parents had always thwarted.
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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2012, 04:51:PM »
Thought this was an interesting read steve this might account for the need to sell the antiques quickly?The family accountant had confirmed that Nevill’s bank account was overdrawn by almost £100,000; [6] all of the estate was tied up in assets. Nevill had borrowed this money to convert his estate in Guildford into five houses. Jeremy had the responsibility of running the farm at harvest time, coping with the funerals of his family, the shock, his grief and the prospect of having little money for funerals as well as paying staff wages. He was an inexperienced farmer at just 24 years old, and Basil Cock had advised that Jeremy appoint Peter Eaton as farm manager to help. Jeremy was also advised that death duties would be high and he would have to find ways of cutting down costs. At the time inheritance duties were 40% of all monies inherited over £200,000. The financial difficulty Jeremy faced was because he was to inherit both his parent’s estates at once. The accountant told him that he would owe around £80,000 in tax.

Hi Ralph

Re above please see below HMRC threshold for inheritance tax, or capital transfer tax as it was referred to then, for 1985.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/iht-thresholds.htm

Where does the 200k figure come from?
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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2012, 05:50:PM »
Hi Ralph

Re above please see below HMRC threshold for inheritance tax, or capital transfer tax as it was referred to then, for 1985.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/iht-thresholds.htm

Where does the 200k figure come from?
Hi naughty nun, would it be the fact he was inheriting from more than one person? Maybe someone else would be able to tell us?

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Re: Did Brett Collins stand by Jeremy?
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2012, 06:17:PM »
Hi naughty nun, would it be the fact he was inheriting from more than one person? Maybe someone else would be able to tell us?

Hi Ralph

Where did you get the 200k figure from? 

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2012, 06:25:PM »
Hi Ralph

Where did you get the 200k figure from?
Hi naughty nun I didn't get the 200000 it was what I had read and posted, I am on my I phone at moment , when I get back I will pm you the site if that's ok