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Offline mike tesko

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ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a

According to contemporaneous notes written up by Ann Eaton on 7th August 1985, Sheila was found on the bed with the bible on her chest, and the gun beside her...

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Where did Ann Eaton get these details from?

More importantly, if Sheila's body was found on the bed, with the bible on her chest, and the gun on the bed besides her, how did Sheila's body end up on the bedroom floor with the gun on her body, and the bible next to her arm?

How did her body get from one place to the other?

Who could have moved her body, and the gun, and the bible?
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 11:37:PM »
Where did this come from?


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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 11:39:PM »
that was mentioned by the tabloids at the time of the murders too. also, didnt someone mention that both shiela and june were on the bed with the bible and gun between them?

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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 11:41:PM »
Where did this come from?
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I have a copy of all Ann Eatons notes that she wrote up contemporaneously from the date of the shootings - I will endeavor to post every note, as soon as I can find time to do so. These notes were handed over to COLP in 1991, when they carried out their investigation...

Mention in thee about the 11 minute delay involving phone call by Jeremy to police, and also about her knowing Sheila's body was found on the bed, with the bible on her chest, and the gun on the bed next to the body...
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 11:41:PM »
that was mentioned by the tabloids at the time of the murders too. also, didnt someone mention that both shiela and june were on the bed with the bible and gun between them?
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 04:41:AM »
These comtemporaneous notes, recorded by one of the prosecutions main witnesses, Ann Eaton, were not disclosed to Jeremy, at the time of his trial, and can be relied upon, as fresh evidence, to help prove or establish, Sheila's body was moved, from the bed to the floor, by the police...
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 04:59:AM »
Ann Eaton, failed to disclose to the court, and to Jeremy, or his legal team, that these handwritten notes existed, the contents of which were capable of undermining the prosecutions claim that police originally found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor...
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 05:33:AM »
The position of the bodies, mentioned in these notes, is accurate and consistent with police statements, with the exception of Sheila - where Ann Eaton says, police told her Sheila's body was found on the bed, with a bible on her chest, and the rifle by her side, whereas, police claim Sheila was found on the bedroom floor, with the rifle on her body, and the bible next to her body...
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Re: Ann Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 05:40:AM »
Ann Eaton wrote "Jeremy phoned Chelmsford Police, who didn't react at all quickly - 11 min."

That puzzles me. There seems to be no other reference to or confirmation of an 11 minute delay and I can't think why she would have invented this.

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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 05:47:AM »
Why would police mislead Ann Eaton, over the position they found her body in?
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Re: Ann Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 06:40:AM »
Ann Eaton wrote "Jeremy phoned Chelmsford Police, who didn't react at all quickly - 11 min."

That puzzles me. There seems to be no other reference to or confirmation of an 11 minute delay and I can't think why she would have invented this.
... Ann Eaton received this information from the same police source, as the information she was given, about where Sheila's body was found on the bed. There is no puzzle as far as the 11 minute delay, is concerned, since I believe this was the period mentioned to Ann Eaton, by her police informant, who was refering to the 11 minute delay, Ralph's call to Jeremy at 3. 25am, and Jeremy's call to the police, at 3. 36am. At the time her police informant told Ann about this 11 minute delay, the precise times of the aformentiomed calls, may not have been given to her. She may simply have been told that Jeremy had received a call from Ralph, at around 3 am. And this was slightly misinterpreted, culminating in the notes, she made...
« Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 07:07:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 07:43:AM »
There is no other mention of this 11 minute delay, anywhere at all, in any police record or account, it was obviously something which was told to Ann Eaton in confidence by a police officer. This 11 minute delay cannot be linked to the suggestion that Jeremy received the call from Ralph, at 3 am, because in order for that to be true, PC WEST'S claim that the clock was ten minutes fast, would have to be re - written, the clock in the control room, would have needed to be 36 minutes, fast...
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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 11:25:AM »
This isn't really much to go on at all.

Firstly the accuracy of contemporaneous notes is subject to how the information was observed, did Ann see the bodies herself, or if she was told by a police officer, then did that police officer see the bodies or did someone tell him/her.

Also if you are going to take that particular sentence as fact then what about this one?
"3:00am Nevill called Jeremy, then the line went dead"

The police officers statements must be a more accurate account of events than these second hand information notes.


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Re: ANN Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 03:26:PM »
That sentence could easily reflect bias against Jeremy, whereas the entry about the delay effectively just criticizes the police.

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Re: Ann Eaton Notes - CAE/1a (Sheila found on bed with Bible on chest)...
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 08:32:PM »
Ann Eaton wrote "Jeremy phoned Chelmsford Police, who didn't react at all quickly - 11 min."

That puzzles me. There seems to be no other reference to or confirmation of an 11 minute delay and I can't think why she would have invented this.
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It depends how you read, what Ann Eaton wrote, in my opinion...

She starts off talking about "Jeremy", who didn't react  at all quickly - 11 mins, is not the same as "Chelmsford police", who didn't react at all quickly - 11 minutes...

There was exactly 11 minutes between when Ralph called Jeremy, (3:25am), and Jeremy calling the police at 3:36am, and I think that reference of 11 minutes, is a reference to this period...

There was not 11 minutes between the timing of PC Wests log (3:36am) and the timing of Malcolm Bonnets log timed at 3:26am - in any event, PC West claims the clock in the control room was 10 minutes fast, in order for both Bonnets and Wests calls to become synchronized, so bearing this in mind, Jeremy would have had to call the police some 11 minutes before 3:26am, which would place such a call made by him at 3:15am...

Ann Eaton places the timing of Jeremy's call to the police at 3am, which would make the clock in the control room have to be 36 minutes fast, instead of 10 minutes?

There is absolutely no physical or imaginary possibility that Jeremy called the police at all before either 3:36am, or if Ralph did not make the call at 3:26am, to that time, as well...

In my opinion, the comments made by Ann Eaton was based upon information given to her by a police officer claiming to be in the know for one reason or another, and this police officer, may have been referring to the fact that it took Jeremy some 11 minutes to react to the alleged call he received from Ralph, and that that call had or must have occurred at around or before 3am, because at the time he or she passed this information to Ann Eaton, that police officer did not know the specific times referred to...

« Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 08:43:PM by mike tesko »
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