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andrea

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« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2011, 11:14:PM »
colin and sheila got along fine, sheila took the split worse than colin and at the time of the shootings colin was in a relationship with another woman i think her name was jan (her father was the guitarist from the group SKY), hes called herbie flowers.

i quote this from the book


"when i was half way through giving my statement, jeremy syuck his head round the door and proudly announced that hed finished giviing his.


"ive done over 24 pages" he said "how many have you done?" i remeber thinking at the time it was a strange  way to behave and told him for what it was worth about 8 pages. "ah well,i suppose ive had much more to cover" he said. "ive had all 27 yrs of sheilas life to go over"

"are you sure you have covered everything?" asked jones

"yes everything except the drugs, said jeremy, i refuse to say anything about them.

"drugs" said jones

"perhaps i can shed some light on that then, i said, because if jeremy wont say anything, i most certainly am going to" i then told jones of a conversation id had with bambs psychiatrist concerning a recent relationship. i also told him the rumours i had heard about this mans alleged involvment with drug trafficking.
Knowing the drs concern over this friendship, i had informed him of my own worries and asked him to bear it in mind when treating her.
i had wanted to help bambs as much as possible and if there was even the slightest chance she herself had been taking drugs, i felt it  might have been something to do with this mans apparent hold over her,which was very strong.

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« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2011, 11:16:PM »
I think if i asked the footy team that i ran if they knew who JB was, the youngsters wouldn't have a clue. I think the older guys (late 20's upwards) would.

I imagine it's probably is difficult for those around Tolleshunt and the other little villages around there everytime it is brought up in the news. Essex has this case and the Rettenden murders for infamy.

That's good, that the youngsters don't know. They have enough pressures growing up these days!

I expect people say 'that's the place' as they drive past. It's a great shame. I've looked at a map and can imagine it'a a very lovely area, as so many part of Essex  are, despite its reputation!

Good on you for running a club for youngsters! I run a theatre club. Every year I think this will be the last due to the work involved, but there's so little out there unless parents have deep pockets.

Sorry - back to murder and mayhem. Did you read about the blood on the carpet outside Sheila's bedroom door?!

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« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2011, 11:16:PM »
Apologies regarding the illness and it wasn't clinical depression but the  other condition is just as bad I just get the feeling she wasn't coping I just think the way Colin described her mood driving over to whf her behaviour  while at the farm the discussions with Neville her bed not being slept in.  I just think she could have just snapped.  It was in the height of the summer she should have been looking forward to have been going to the farm.  Too much seems to add up to her being in such a strange mood that day and if she couldn't sleep. 
As most people say it was her or Jeremy.
In my opinion I haven't read anything that makes me think jb could be a mass killer more things like arrogant, lazy etc
Did jb have any history of violence

I don't know who said her bed hadn't been slept in, but I posted a link to a statement which said it was.

Clinical depression is not like schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a psychosis. I read somewhere that she had "mild" schizophrenia but I don't think being hospitalised for it twice would be considered mild. She had monthly injections of haliperidol, but her last injection was on 11th July so she was almost due for another one.

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« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2011, 11:21:PM »
colin and sheila got along fine, sheila took the split worse than colin and at the time of the shootings colin was in a relationship with another woman i think her name was jan (her father was the guitarist from the group SKY), hes called herbie flowers.

i quote this from the book


"when i was half way through giving my statement, jeremy syuck his head round the door and proudly announced that hed finished giviing his.


"ive done over 24 pages" he said "how many have you done?" i remeber thinking at the time it was a strange  way to behave and told him for what it was worth about 8 pages. "ah well,i suppose ive had much more to cover" he said. "ive had all 27 yrs of sheilas life to go over"

"are you sure you have covered everything?" asked jones

"yes everything except the drugs, said jeremy, i refuse to say anything about them.

"drugs" said jones

"perhaps i can shed some light on that then, i said, because if jeremy wont say anything, i most certainly am going to" i then told jones of a conversation id had with bambs psychiatrist concerning a recent relationship. i also told him the rumours i had heard about this mans alleged involvment with drug trafficking.
Knowing the drs concern over this friendship, i had informed him of my own worries and asked him to bear it in mind when treating her.
i had wanted to help bambs as much as possible and if there was even the slightest chance she herself had been taking drugs, i felt it  might have been something to do with this mans apparent hold over her,which was very strong.



colin had had a party the day before he took shiela and the twins to whf, he invited sheila because he thought it was what she needed, cheering up etc.

he drove them at about 4pm the next day to whf

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« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2011, 11:26:PM »
Apologies regarding the illness and it wasn't clinical depression but the  other condition is just as bad I just get the feeling she wasn't coping I just think the way Colin described her mood driving over to whf her behaviour  while at the farm the discussions with Neville her bed not being slept in.  I just think she could have just snapped.  It was in the height of the summer she should have been looking forward to have been going to the farm.  Too much seems to add up to her being in such a strange mood that day and if she couldn't sleep. 
As most people say it was her or Jeremy.
In my opinion I haven't read anything that makes me think jb could be a mass killer more things like arrogant, lazy etc
Did jb have any history of violence

I don't know who said her bed hadn't been slept in, but I posted a link to a statement which said it was.

Clinical depression is not like schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a psychosis. I read somewhere that she had "mild" schizophrenia but I don't think being hospitalised for it twice would be considered mild. She had monthly injections of haliperidol, but her last injection was on 11th July so she was almost due for another one.

In the medical notes didn't it refer to paranoid schizophrenia? Have to be honest - that's the worst case scenario for anyone. (Discounting personality disorders like psychopathy and sociopathy.)

Sufferers have a far lower than average mortality rate. Suicide rate is higher than the rest of the population. Not sure about the murder rate. Think the personality disorders I mentioned topped those leagues. Interestingly, many business leaders produce test scores similar to sociopaths. Just saying!



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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2011, 11:53:PM »
Is Colin say in his book then Sheila was in a relationship with someone who dealt drugs and had a strong hold on her surely that must be relevant did it say his name

andrea

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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2011, 11:55:PM »
no mention of his name.pity...

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« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2011, 12:05:AM »
Andrea from what colins book says jb could have made Sheila sound a lot worse then telling the police about her and the drugs

I don't know about jb being a mass murderer he does just come across as a complete pratt I am not sure he had the commonsense to pull the murders off even with that stupid statement he made when he was being cross examined something like 'that's for you to prove' he obviously didn't endear himself to the jury

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« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2011, 04:21:AM »
Andrea from what colins book says jb could have made Sheila sound a lot worse then telling the police about her and the drugs

I don't know about jb being a mass murderer he does just come across as a complete pratt I am not sure he had the commonsense to pull the murders off even with that stupid statement he made when he was being cross examined something like 'that's for you to prove' he obviously didn't endear himself to the jury

a late one again for me. Everytime i hoover the house my middle sprogglet seems to have an asthma attack....anyway... you have come out with some reasoned arguments recently jackie (+1) and me backing JB here.  If you are guilty and clever, you would have a better answer than that, wouldn't you? Some of the stuff JB has said in his statements and court stuff is naive at best and i credit him with more intellect than that. I don't think he ever thought he would go down......and shudder to say this as i am a defender of Sheila carrying out the murders but on the evidence produced he should not have been convicted..... in my opinion.

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« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2011, 04:49:AM »
[Sorry - back to murder and mayhem. Did you read about the blood on the carpet outside Sheila's bedroom door?!

no tell me more and mb1 any more info from the gun tech relation guys, these people without making us mortal sound igsignificant are the key to to this ...oh and the post mortem people (Dr. Venezis). if we trust his findings!!!!

andrea

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« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2011, 10:32:AM »
[Sorry - back to murder and mayhem. Did you read about the blood on the carpet outside Sheila's bedroom door?!

no tell me more and mb1 any more info from the gun tech relation guys, these people without making us mortal sound igsignificant are the key to to this ...oh and the post mortem people (Dr. Venezis). if we trust his findings!!!!

was it vanesiz that did  dianas post mortem?  not that i want to get into a debate about her death mind.  my head wont take anymore conspiracy theories !!!

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« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2011, 10:37:AM »

andrea

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« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2011, 10:42:AM »
no mention of bamber murders, wonder why? it was a high profile  case at that time.

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« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2011, 08:17:PM »
Because it certainly wasn't the finest hour in his career! I imagine he was not that keen to publicise it or talk about being involved. If you talk to any Essex Police officer who was around at this time (still serving or now retired) they are happy to talk about anything BUT the Bamber / WHF case. WHY IS THIS? I'm sure other people have come across the same thing? Try talking to one of themabout it  and you will experience a very awkward moment.

andrea

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« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2011, 08:22:PM »
have you tried talking to some of them personally?