Was Robert Boutflour a Freemason? (Calling campion)

[lookout]

Hi Vic. No of course not. But I must know for sure so that I can then ask my second question. But my second question cannot be asked until we know for sure that RWB was a Mason. You may be surprised at my asking such a question. But it is because of the innocent side suggesting that he was that may have a major bearing the case? I am prepared to accept the truth whatever it is.
Unfortunately also since it has been accepted so readily by the innocent side that Ralph Bamber was NOT a Freemason until now when AA says that Jeremy said he was and that that fact is directly connected with his being in prison. I feel that such is the seriousness of these suggested facts that it is important that we know one way or another? AA has unknowingly thrown a big spanner in the works by her statement, which suggests that being a Freemason in this case may play a vital role in the whole matter as to whether JB is innocent or guilty.

Lugg,,,I'm almost sure that it would have played a part one way or t'other.

[susan]

Morning lookout

I have always thought in life it is who you know not what you know.  As far as Planning is concerned in this area it is dictacted by The Scottish Office and local Councils follow guide lines.  The recent one we applied for when sailing through because it was a new policy so the score is about 10. 1 at the moment against us.

Anyone who is interested in Freemasons can read up as their is so much history attached to its origins and the  rules and regulations is quite interesting.

[gordo30]

If you find out what province he was a member in and as I have seen stated on here that he was involved at provincial level then there should be a provincial website which will list all the comissioned office bearers as far back as you will need. I know we can do so in my own provincial website.

[lookout]

Morning lookout

I have always thought in life it is who you know not what you know.  As far as Planning is concerned in this area it is dictacted by The Scottish Office and local Councils follow guide lines.  The recent one we applied for when sailing through because it was a new policy so the score is about 10. 1 at the moment against us.

Anyone who is interested in Freemasons can read up as their is so much history attached to its origins and the  rules and regulations is quite interesting.

Hi Susan,,you're telling me. ( your first paragraph ) I'd married the black sheep of the family who held no interest in Freemasonry at all.I suppose having been in the Merchant Navy had something to do with it,but I used to hear him arguing with his brother,who was one,hahahaha.

[Lugg]

From the Freemason's handbook:

You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.

Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183

[lookout]

From the Freemason's handbook:

No wonder my husband didn't join Lugg. He was an open book.

[vidvic]

According to Mike, Taff Jones was a mason. So how does that fit with the masonic plot idea?

[susan]

Hi vidvic  I don't think a Masonic plot existed half the police force are Masons and your Judicial System.

[gordo30]

From the Freemason's handbook:

Is this some handbook given out to freemasons upon joining? or is it from on of these conspiracy websites that seem hell bent showing the world how corrupt we are.

Strange as its in complete contrast to what happens in the rituals and sworn in your obligations. "To obey the laws of any land that may afford you its protection".

[susan]

Hi Gordo30   Just read the quote from the Masons Handbook to my other half and he laughed and said that is the biggest load of manure he has ever heard.

[Lugg]

Hi Gordo30   Just read the quote from the Masons Handbook to my other half and he laughed and said that is the biggest load of manure he has ever heard.

Well that's his his priviledge to believe it or not. But it's written by one of their own guys. Who am I to contradict it? Are you telling me that you are ignorant of your own history? http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=ronayne+handbook+of+masonry&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=1152&bih=671&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16943995345377688761&sa=X&ei=B3OKUODbEcrC0QXLsoCABA&ved=0CDkQ8wIwAA

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&tok=D3fFbQy7WCmYWn9H3oQzDA&ds=sh&pq=ronayne&cp=14&gs_id=377&xhr=t&q=Edmond+Ronayne&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=1152&bih=671&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=2493945566320421299&sa=X&ei=dHOKUIL3HIrM0QWLk4GwBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQ8wIwAA

[gordo30]

It all depends on which side of the debate you want to be on susan, there is a plethera of anti masonic sites online and none back up what they have written with any solid evidence. I read a little of that handbook just now and by going through the 1st few paragraphs I came across so many inaccuracies that what was written held no resemblance to the masonic im a member of.

It came about mainly due to the openess of freemasonry in the states where in some instances the general public are able to view certain degrees. Their inabiltiy to understand what was going on led to many misconceptions and through them to these ideas that range from masonry controlling goverments,churches and almost every aspect of human life.

I must admit that it doesn't help that masonry does not defend itself mainly because by doing so it would give some credance to these people but It would also mean that it had something to defend itself against.

[gordo30]

Well that's his his priviledge to believe it or not. But it's written by one of their own guys. Who am I to contradict it? Are you telling me that you are ignorant of your own history? http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=ronayne+handbook+of+masonry&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=1152&bih=671&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16943995345377688761&sa=X&ei=B3OKUODbEcrC0QXLsoCABA&ved=0CDkQ8wIwAA

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&tok=D3fFbQy7WCmYWn9H3oQzDA&ds=sh&pq=ronayne&cp=14&gs_id=377&xhr=t&q=Edmond+Ronayne&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=1152&bih=671&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=2493945566320421299&sa=X&ei=dHOKUIL3HIrM0QWLk4GwBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQ8wIwAA

I wonder if you could link me to anything that states that the author of these books was a freemason as I cannot find anything.

[Lugg]

It all depends on which side of the debate you want to be on susan, there is a plethera of anti masonic sites online and none back up what they have written with any solid evidence. I read a little of that handbook just now and by going through the 1st few paragraphs I came across so many inaccuracies that what was written held no resemblance to the masonic im a member of.

It came about mainly due to the openess of freemasonry in the states where in some instances the general public are able to view certain degrees. Their inabiltiy to understand what was going on led to many misconceptions and through them to these ideas that range from masonry controlling goverments,churches and almost every aspect of human life.

I must admit that it doesn't help that masonry does not defend itself mainly because by doing so it would give some credance to these people but It would also mean that it had something to defend itself against.

Maybe they have changed? I wouldn't know. But I am a bit shocked that Susan's husband laughed at it. Personallt if I was (against all odds of course) asked to join the Masons I would make it my business to find out as much as I could about it before jumping into something as big and as influential as that. I would make it my aim to to read all these ancient books written by those Master Masons. Surely you should be taking seriously the history of Freemasonry before making such a big life changing decision?

[Lugg]

I wonder if you could link me to anything that states that the author of these books was a freemason as I cannot find anything.

The link is the man who republished his works. I must admit gordo I am rather surprised at your lack of knowledge regarding the history of the organisation you have pledged your life to?