Was Robert Boutflour a Freemason? (Calling campion)

[lookout]

Just gearing up for Question Time.

[susan]

lookout  keep up girl Mason Doyle is a guy who is writing a book on Jeremy and was on the forum to pick up some tips (I think not) he is a true crime writer with over 40 books published but don't know his real name will have to wait for the book out next year.  Really looking forward to it.  Maybe you were having a sleep when he was on Ha Ha.

[Aunt Agatha]

Jeremy's father WAS a freemason!!

Jeremy told me himself and has always questioned whether his father's involvement in the Lodge had any bearings on his imprisonment.

I hold certain papers regarding this, which have been given for safe keeping.

[vidvic]

We are not talking about his Father, AA. We're talking about his uncle.

[Lugg]

We are not talking about his Father, AA. We're talking about his uncle.

Nevertheless Vic it is interesting, because again we have all been lead to believe that Ralph Bamber was not a Freemason? But of course again I would like to see written proof of this. If people will forgive me there do seem to be secrets in this case where ordinarily there should not be secrets. Why must there be a mystery about something so ordinary as someone belonging to the Freemasons?

[susan]

Morning Lugg

After reading the post earlier from AA where she states Ralph Bamber was a Freemason as Jeremy told her so plus she has paper work which would verify this we must accept he was a Freemason and I would have thought somehow I would have expected he was.

[vidvic]

Nevertheless Vic it is interesting, because again we have all been lead to believe that Ralph Bamber was not a Freemason? But of course again I would like to see written proof of this. If people will forgive me there do seem to be secrets in this case where ordinarily there should not be secrets. Why must there be a mystery about something so ordinary as someone belonging to the Freemasons?

I don't see where the secrecy is Lugg. In fact the implied 'nudge nudge wink wink' is from the innocent side. I personally don't see why being mason is anything to be ashamed of.

[susan]

Morning vidvic

I think most Freemasons don't talk about their involvement not because it is secret it is just a private organisation and they don't find it necessary to tell the world about it.  I personally don't think being a member of a Lodge can really benefit a person in dramatic way and is not relevant whether a person is or is'ent a Freemason unless of course I am deluding myself. The norm is only by being a Mason yourself would you be aware that others were Masons.

[vidvic]

I completely agree Susan. I entered the discussion because Mike continually refers to Bobby Boutflour as being a mason and I knew for a fact that he wasn't but that his father Robert was. I only mentioned it because being a mason on this forum is suggested as being a bad thing.

[susan]

vidvic  I think the inference being made on the forum is by being a Mason strings will be pulled and all other Mason's will rally round I don't think this is the case really not in a serious matter.  I remember Lord Lucan who was a member of a top Gentleman's club in London and it was suggested they rallied and got him out of the Country fast.  Who knows if this was the case or not but as far as I know their was no connection to being a Freemason. Just the Gentry sticking together.

[gordo30]

Jeremy's father WAS a freemason!!

Jeremy told me himself and has always questioned whether his father's involvement in the Lodge had any bearings on his imprisonment.

I hold certain papers regarding this, which have been given for safe keeping.

In order for JB to be convicted he would have had to have gone through due process and that's one hell of a lot of freemasons bending over backwards putting their carears,family lifes and businesses at risk to perpetrate an injustice, it just never happens.

[susan]

Morning Gordo30

Just an example in a minor sort of way regarding being a Freemason.  My husband and I have been involved in many controversial planning applications and they were always against Council Policy.  The actual Planning Committee was made up of several Freemasons from my husbands Lodge but did we get the planning granted No as they would not vote against Council policy.  So it was no benefit to us my husband being a Freemason.

[gordo30]

I was involved in freemasonry at Provincial level and my father at Grand level, he is an 18th degree mason and member of the Royal Order of Scotland. In all these years I have yet to see or hear about the levels of corruption directed at our order. I say it again it just doesn't happen and your more likely to see things like nopotism occur between men who drink at the same pub everyday than within our own great institution.

[lookout]

Morning Gordo30

Just an example in a minor sort of way regarding being a Freemason.  My husband and I have been involved in many controversial planning applications and they were always against Council Policy.  The actual Planning Committee was made up of several Freemasons from my husbands Lodge but did we get the planning granted No as they would not vote against Council policy.  So it was no benefit to us my husband being a Freemason.

Good morning Susan. I must say that my nephew did well out of the Council,only because he'd worked there as a surveyor,by pulling strings. The Lodge he's in has been a long-standing family one. His father,and various uncles,my son-in-law.

My daughters' mother -in-law was in the Ladies Lodge in Australia,the OES,and I attended at the time she was " in the chair ".I was given a guided tour of the " room " with its' insignia made out in the tiled floor. But it's different there to here. Been to a few Ladies nights years ago,and still have gifts dotted around,antiques now,hahahaha.

I have a tie-pin that belonged to my father,which is pretty old,but a nice keepsake.

[Lugg]

I don't see where the secrecy is Lugg. In fact the implied 'nudge nudge wink wink' is from the innocent side. I personally don't see why being mason is anything to be ashamed of.

Hi Vic. No of course not. But I must know for sure so that I can then ask my second question. But my second question cannot be asked until we know for sure that RWB was a Mason. You may be surprised at my asking such a question. But it is because of the innocent side suggesting that he was that may have a major bearing the case? I am prepared to accept the truth whatever it is.
Unfortunately also since it has been accepted so readily by the innocent side that Ralph Bamber was NOT a Freemason until now when AA says that Jeremy said he was and that that fact is directly connected with his being in prison. I feel that such is the seriousness of these suggested facts that it is important that we know one way or another? AA has unknowingly thrown a big spanner in the works by her statement, which suggests that being a Freemason in this case may play a vital role in the whole matter as to whether JB is innocent or guilty.
Perhaps one should read this verse taken from the Freemason's handbook and then ask yourselves the question. Is Freemasonry really the place for me to be?

You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.

Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183