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Offline gordo30

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2012, 08:18:PM »
I think you have over reacted Patti? I've only asked you some questions....

We are discussing an emotive subject, maybe you are feeling a bit sensitive today....

OK but surely theres no need to be antagonistic about things here, patti has shown a similar frustration to this case as many of us have and she has did so with decorum. Its a case in waiting and we all have questions that need answers and Im not meaning answers based on other case's but those pertinent to this case alone.

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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2012, 08:33:PM »
I understand that and I personally feel that case's like simons are a good precedent to determine just how this case is going. I just feel that some of us are still at the stage where we need to place those points similar to other case's in context with this one and thats where Patti and myself are at this moment. Its ok to ask certain questions based on the way this case has already went and determiene how they fit with case's like simons, unfortunetely that doesn't mean that things will work out the same way.

Theres no point in simply saying that one points is wrong because it was wrong for another case, perspective is what Im on about.

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2012, 08:36:PM »
To be honest Steph this case is alarmingly like Simon and Lukes that it has become rather scary for myself as these are the two most pertinent case's that I understand and their relevance is not lost on me.

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2012, 08:54:PM »
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Personally I think we should have professional experts who sit on juries, not lay people. This is my opinion.

I must admit im of the same opinion although that leads to other problems. Its not anyones fault to have been part of a jury, they will base their verdict on what is precented to them at trial and they can do no more and the fault of the justice system should never be brought to bare on those individuals.

The fact that people will spend their entire lives in some case's to the biased and prejudgmental confines of human nature is rather appauling in this day and age and your right the case of Bridger is going down those same routes.

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2012, 09:11:PM »
Remember the jury are there to do a job,decide on what is put to them at trial. It is highly arrogant to suggest that they have not applied logic and a very mature response to that information. I do agree that when we have case's where a man has been sought from a very early stage in a case and found,arrested and charged with offenses's relevant to the crime that it does not reflect on the case itself, of  course it does but it does  not make the juries decision wrong. Its a failing in our jury system.

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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2012, 09:12:PM »
well i am giong to come up with the mad suggestion that it was leaked to them by the police.

but of course you all know the police wouldn't do a thing like that.
ahem..uh yes they do..(shock horror) they are a bunch of criminals they get the press to print whatever they tell them most of which is complete lies..

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2012, 09:25:PM »
Aren't the very same failures that your highlingting the problem with the jury system? should we simply decide that all juries are inadequate based on one,two case's , of course there will be problems and of course there shouldn't be but we can't tar everyone with that same brush. I can't believe you have me defending our system here lol.

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2012, 10:01:PM »
There is a specific time frame for disclosure for both the prosecution and defence.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/disclosure_manual/disclosure_manual_chapter_12/


Don't get me started petey ... imo you clearly have no personal experience of our justice system!! Are you saying you believe that the CPS follow these guidelines!! After all we have all been brought up to respect people in authority and therefore believe they follow the rules!!

As of late and with the brilliance of the internet the justice system is being shown up for what it is ... a FARCE!!

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2012, 10:10:PM »

Don't get me started petey ... imo you clearly have no personal experience of our justice system!! Are you saying you believe that the CPS follow these guidelines!! After all we have all been brought up to respect people in authority and therefore believe they follow the rules!!

As of late and with the brilliance of the internet the justice system is being shown up for what it is ... a FARCE!!

Depends from what perspective you mean. I agree that ive never been arrested or taken to court and never had any experience of this through family or close friends.

But I work in law so obv have studied the judicial system during my degree and have many solicitor / barrister contacts within the profession. So I have experience of it from that side.
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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2012, 10:11:PM »

Don't get me started petey ... imo you clearly have no personal experience of our justice system!! Are you saying you believe that the CPS follow these guidelines!! After all we have all been brought up to respect people in authority and therefore believe they follow the rules!!

As of late and with the brilliance of the internet the justice system is being shown up for what it is ... a FARCE!!

I have to agree with you there Annie. Unless someone has experienced the nonsense,then there's no room for comment.

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« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2012, 10:18:PM »
Petey, whilst I agree that Simon Hall was convicted of murder in Feb 2003, that does not make him a guilty man!! Like you say you do not have enough knowledge about the case yet you see fit to pass judgement about him.

Ok sorry I will rephrase and say that he is guilty of murder under English law.

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« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2012, 10:25:PM »
Ok sorry I will rephrase and say that he is guilty of murder under English law.

Thank you petey.

Choice of wording makes a HUGE difference.

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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2012, 10:42:PM »
I would like to know what it is that i said wrong? Explain this to me please.

I do not know how to do quotes in quotes so I may not get the wording exact but earlier in this thread you said there was not much to discuss / debate about this case as it will all come out in court. And you were supposing that the police would surely have enough evidence to charge MB. FreeSimonHall then went on to explain (from her own experience) the similarities to Simon's case and was accused of taking the thread off topic. Surely a debate / discussion is all about members input and obviously their input will be based on their own experiences. You're right in saying we only know what the police have leaked to the public, which imo is very misleading. Therefore if you are second guessing and supposing information surely it is acceptable for members to have their say and give their opinions and share their knowledge.
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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2012, 11:22:PM »
I have so many questions at the moment that I would like to have answered, it is so frustrating that there is very little to go on.  Something I can't understand is, where in other moj that I have read about they put a spin on everything  >:( but in MB's case I haven't seen that yet. 

From what I have read so far he liked the ladies and they liked him, was into cars and tinkering about with motorbikes, was an animal lover, took an active part in his childrens lives (apart from 1 as it was only recently that they were made aware he was the father) liked fishing, played cricket, was popular, quiet and likeable, etc. 

No mentions at all about being untrustworthy/undesirable, everything about him sounds so normal, just an ordinary guy. The only slight negative thing I've read was where he got evicted for keeping his chickens in the kitchen/house, though I do think the landlady was being harsh, as chickens make lovely pets, and there will be many people across the country who have chickens in their house, though most of them wont have them staying in the house as they are little poopers so it wouldnt be very hygenic, but that doesnt make him a bad person.

The reporters have obviously dug deep into this guy to print information about his ex partners, his parents and siblings, and his children, even going to the extent of naming minors ffs, but yet they havent managed to get anything on this guy that they could at least try and put a spin on, as they do.
The locals who have spoken to the press haven't slated him, they seem to be shocked that he has been arrested and charged, as do his ex employers when they have been spoken too.

I hope that this is not another case of tunnel vision, which we have seen many times before.

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Re: Mark Bridger / April Jones dissapearance
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2012, 11:32:PM »
Steph, Patti is sound. 100%. There must be some crossed wires here?