Pathologist concluded that Sheila's body, consistent with known facts of call...

[lookout]

I have said this before Lookout. Sheila was flat on her back, not in the recovery position.

Obviously she wouldn't have been left in the recovery position,Buddy. Yes,she was flat when photos' were taken.

[maggie]

How long would you say that it takes for the blood to drain Maggie? It must start pretty much straight away.

Yes, I think I have the wrong word there Bridget, my minds gone blank. ooops, think I need a lie down!!

[lookout]

She looks pretty dead to me..

Yes,Bridget,but for how long before the pics were taken.?

[susan]

Maggie  your mind has gone black as it will be frozen sitting in the cold all afternoon eating icecream.  I ask you

[lookout]

Within the timescale that you say Sheila died,she'd have started to look like an old woman,as her features would have sunk.

[Bridget]

Yes,Bridget,but for how long before the pics were taken.?

About 6 or 7 hours after death at a guess.

[maggie]

That's right Maggie.I've seen quite a few dead people,who looked dead if you understand what I mean.
Why a rectal thermometer wasn't used to calculate times of death,I don't know,as it's one of the most important factors at a crime scene,to establish the time of death.It's very bad.

I know what you mean lookout some dead people have obviously been dead for hours and their face is white and waxy with all the blood drained and the connective tissue collapsed leaving the cheeks fallen, shrunken and hollowed. Someone recently dead looks much more healthy without fallen cheeks and quite difficult to tell whether they have just fallen asleep...the cheeks are still full and may still have some colour because their body is still warm. Of course, Sheila has obvious mortal injuries but for all that she looks 'healthier'....still can't think of the word....looney might do (me)

[maggie]

Maggie  your mind has gone black as it will be frozen sitting in the cold all afternoon eating icecream.  I ask you

I can't claim that excuse a susie as the heating is on now and it was only a mini magnum...honest....  but I do have another one in the freezer mmmmmmmmmmmm..still cant think of the word!!

[susan]

Yes Maggie looney fits you perfectly.  Get the boiler on

[Bridget]

Within the timescale that you say Sheila died,she'd have started to look like an old woman,as her features would have sunk.

No they wouldn't, all that happens is the muscles first relax and then rigor sets in. Anyway, what do you think this brownish mark to the side of her face is, she's a bit young for liver spots isn't she?

[susan]

Maggie  the word you are looking for is "looney"

[Jane]

I know what you mean lookout some dead people have obviusly been dead for hours and their face is white and waxy with all the blood drained leaving the cheeks fallen and hollowed. Someone recently dead looks much more healthy without fallen cheeks and quite difficult to tell whether they have just fallen asleep...the cheeks are still full and may still have some colour because their body is still warm. Or course, Sheila has obvious mortal injuries but for all that she looks 'healthier'....still can't think of the word....looney might do (me)

Maggie, how about more unconscious than dead?

[maggie]

Maggie  the word you are looking for is "looney"

Thank you for your respect susie

[maggie]

Maggie, how about more unconscious than dead?

[lookout]

I know what you mean lookout some dead people have obviusly been dead for hours and their face is white and waxy with all the blood drained leaving the cheeks fallen and hollowed. Someone recently dead looks much more healthy without fallen cheeks and quite difficult to tell whether they have just fallen asleep...the cheeks are still full and may still have some colour because their body is still warm. Or course, Sheila has obvious mortal injuries but for all that she looks 'healthier'....still can't think of the word....looney might do (me)

( sorry,watching the barrier reef ) Yes,I wouldn't have said that Sheila had been dead for hours myself.
Certainly nothing like 6 hours. She would have had visible livor mortis,but to me,showed no signs of that at all.
The lips go purple within minutes really,and rigor mortis is between 2 and 3 hours. Then the whole of the body goes pale.Coldness too,is within a short time as soon as circulation,or the heart stops.
Sheila would have been part way there after that first shot to her neck,which she probably thought,or hoped it would have been the jugular. xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx.