Julie Mugford's NOW contract and the new evidence ?

[-Harters-]

No Hartley you said it "political fluffy" 

Well at least you didn't use flocculent or velutinous instead, then you would have really confused me.  I just don't understand you sometimes Patti. 

[Jane]

Well at least you didn't use flocculent or velutinous instead, then you would have really confused me.  I just don't understand you sometimes Patti. 

Or even flatulent or vacuous!!!!!!!

[Patti]

Well at least you didn't use flocculent or velutinous instead, then you would have really confused me.  I just don't understand you sometimes Patti. 

Only my dog understands me Hartley, the rest of the world I tend to confuse. I love being happy, I hate being sad....and, I don't understand anybody, not much between my ears! lol 

[Patti]

Or even flatulent or vacuous!!!!!!!

My favourite word is notoriety, i use it several times in the first few chapters of my book....which I will never finish...lol 

[-Harters-]

Only my dog understands me Hartley, the rest of the world I tend to confuse. I love being happy, I hate being sad....and, I don't understand anybody, not much between my ears! lol 

Too early for all this (for me), I'll leave you in peace.

[lookout]

Only my dog understands me Hartley, the rest of the world I tend to confuse. I love being happy, I hate being sad....and, I don't understand anybody, not much between my ears! lol 

Good morning Patti. I wouldn't worry about your lack of brain-power,,,after all,Winston Churchill was a duffer at school and look what he achieved.

[Patti]

Good morning Patti. I wouldn't worry about your lack of brain-power,,,after all,Winston Churchill was a duffer at school and look what he achieved.

Morning Lookout, how's you today? Did you see the programme about the Peter Sutcliffe last night? The doctors are convinced he is schizophrenic. What they said was that he does not think he has done anything wrong, he was told to do it by god, therefore under this delusion, in his eyes he has done the world a favour by killing all those women....

Apparently he write to loads of women too.....One woman had her heart broken, because they had a pen relationship and she moved home to near Broadmore, then applied for visiting rights...When she got the prison, she was asked questions by the prison staff....one of them " Do you mind if Peter writes to other women" she replied yes I do......Then she was refused her visit....and found out that he has penned love affairs all over the place....The same woman is now campaigning to have this penned behaviour stopped....She was willing to marry him....But, she was in a vulnerable and depressed state when she wrote to him herself.....and was contemplating being a nun??? 

[susan]

Hi Patti

Think she would be better off becoming a Nun.  I have never been able to figure out what attracts women to Peter Sutcliffe I think seriously it is a problem within themselves.  When he was younger I can see why women were attracted to his looks but my God the crimes

[Patti]

Hi Patti

Think she would be better off becoming a Nun.  I have never been able to figure out what attracts women to Peter Sutcliffe I think seriously it is a problem within themselves.  When he was younger I can see why women were attracted to his looks but my God the crimes

Women do though don't they? Why I don't know! I thought you might have picked up on the voices in his head, which told him to kill....He has been diagnosed as being schizophrenic...the same illness as SC....More and more is being looked at regarding this illness. 

[Jane]

Women do though don't they? Why I don't know! I thought you might have picked up on the voices in his head, which told him to kill....He has been diagnosed as being schizophrenic...the same illness as SC....More and more is being looked at regarding this illness. 

Interesting. I wonder if the women who are attracted to men like Sutcliffe are those with no sense of self worth. It matters little what their status is, it's about how they FEEL about themselves, and feeling THAT low, they would naturally gravitate toward somebody AS low because they wouldn't feel judged by them.

[susan]

Hi Patti/april with regard to Peter Sutcliffe and the voices in his head telling him to commit these most awful crimes did the same voices tell him to put false number plates on his car when he went into the Red Light District to find his next victim.  I find the whole thing very confusing and don't go there if I can avoid as my knowledge on this illness is zero.  I agree with you april why women are attracted to men of his type.

[killingeve]

Steve,I actually did become a victim during my training as an RMN,when a patient,a young woman who was actually at the centre of a discussion at the time and who'd had her medication adjusted,became violent and threw me onto the iron frame of her bed ( which was in a cell-like room ) because she was classed as a danger. So after that episode,I was by no means blinkered as to their capabilities particularly when the medication was hit and miss.
Because most people years ago weren't educated to the fact that these people were sick individuals,they were,in their ignorance,labelled as " nutters ". That term is by no means a slight on the person who said/says it, it's simply because they don't/didn't know any different.

I wouldn't have said that June didn't want/love Sheila.That's a bit harsh. The woman had had no experience of raising children,as there was no handbook included.  June had no idea what lay ahead,as do none of us,but there are those of us who get by,and there are others who struggle. Junes' obsession with religion didn't help,and she herself suffered a breakdown for reasons unknown,and her obsession would automatically have rubbed off onto Sheila,similarly to the mother/daughter relationship.
Excess religion when it becomes fanatical,is very dangerous,for it interferes with your daily life,as it did with June and Sheila,who spoke often about the " devil " and being cleansed,etc.
It was no basis in which to bring up two little boys,who DID suffer psychologically,and that,to me,is abuse. The reports from the teachers were enough for you to make up your mind about the way they were treated. When they were staying with their mother ( Sheila ) they were having to get themselves up for school,do their own breakfasts and dress themselves.
Ever seen a 5/6 year old after it's got itself ready for school.? Read between the lines of whatever you read Steve,instead of seeing it as it is. There are always 2 sides to a story.

Morning Lookout

It may be harsh but I tend to agree with Steve_uk insofar as I think it was nigh on impossible for June to see Sheila as anything other than a pitiable creature of fornification and embodiment of sin due to her fundamental religious beliefs.  Hence the Devil's child and hence the shot between the eyes.  Children of all ages are adept at sensing non verbal cues.  This I believe caused a slow build up of rage in Sheila which exploded shortly after she met her birth mother (weeks before the murders) due to feeling validated for the first time in her life. 

Posters have recently witnessed the storm between the forum's very own adoptive mother (Maggie) and adopted daughter (Egap)  over a few posts and pm's imagine this magnified 100%. 

(No I don't think the above is how my adoptive mother saw me.  At a push she was/is agnostic.  And I don't think the above is how Maggie saw/sees her adopted daughters either). 

[Patti]

Interesting. I wonder if the women who are attracted to men like Sutcliffe are those with no sense of self worth. It matters little what their status is, it's about how they FEEL about themselves, and feeling THAT low, they would naturally gravitate toward somebody AS low because they wouldn't feel judged by them.

I think you are right. She herself said she was going through an awful time in her life, so reached out for comfort. She thought she had found this wonderful man Sutcliffe, who penned her with emotional attention....She fell for it hook line and sinker....She was unaware of course that he was writing to other women at the time, telling them how much he loved em!

I think reality hit her hard when she found out, she woke up and smelled the coffee.....Wrote a book about it all and got her life back on track.....

[Patti]

Hi Patti/april with regard to Peter Sutcliffe and the voices in his head telling him to commit these most awful crimes did the same voices tell him to put false number plates on his car when he went into the Red Light District to find his next victim.  I find the whole thing very confusing and don't go there if I can avoid as my knowledge on this illness is zero.  I agree with you april why women are attracted to men of his type.

Susan brilliant post, because this is what some professionals think...They think he has no illness what so ever, just that he is pure evil....and, he knew what he was doing and he pretended to be ill in order to get moved from prison to Broadmore....with a possibility that he could one day get out on parole if he could prove to them he was better....So yes, you are right, did god tell himj to put false number plates on???

IMO....he must have an illness to have killed like he did....How many more did he kill or attack before he murdered the 13 women who are known to be his victims?

Sutcliffe is like Tobin....he holds information that will never be revealed, that information is his trophy...and Tobin is know to suffer from psychopathy....

[maggie]

Morning Lookout
It may be harsh but I tend to agree with Steve_uk insofar as I think it was nigh on impossible for June to see Sheila as anything other than a pitiable creature of fornification and embodiment of sin due to her fundamental religious beliefs.  Hence the Devil's child and hence the shot between the eyes.  Children of all ages are adept at sensing non verbal cues.  This I believe caused a slow build up of rage in Sheila which exploded shortly after she met her birth mother (weeks before the murders) due to feeling validated for the first time in her life. 
Posters have recently witnessed the storm between the forum's very own adoptive mother (Maggie) and adopted daughter (Egap)  over a few posts and pm's imagine this magnified 100%. 
(No I don't think the above is how my adoptive mother saw me.  At a push she was/is agnostic.  And I don't think the above is how Maggie saw/sees her adopted daughters either). 

egap there was no storm from my side just an apology to you for offebding you. I really dont know why you are bringing this up once more.