Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[susan]

Hi steve  just read your post and I think maybe I have had too much sun today or perhaps maybe a funny turn.  Did Julie think Jeremy was doing her a favour killing all his family.  Did she think she was going to be the next Lady of the Manor.  Then she was dumped and all hell was let loose.

[lookout]

Because she was in love. It's what makes the world go round and in Julie's case makes her oblivious to Jeremy's faults however heinous to another person. Jeremy had become arrogant,he had been questioned by Taff Jones and let go and in Jeremy's mind that was the end of it. The carpets and bedding had been burned at White House Farm and the four murders and a suicide was still the official verdict. Jeremy had money coming to him,he had installed himself in the Maida Vale flat and he had Anji Greaves at the end of a telephone line. Why should he tie himself down at 24 years of age with Julie,when it would be his word against hers in the witness box? Jeremy paid Julie off with £400 and thought that was the end of the affair;he even helped her to move house so there was no animosity involved,just Jeremy at that stage of his life felt a new sense of freedom he had never experienced before with his parents gone and he was going to make the most of it.

Murder is a very serious accusation,and in this case,it was JM who ( not in as many words ) accused him of and had him convicted.Would she still have gone along with her tissue of lies if he hadn't have dropped her for someone else.? Would she still have continued sleeping with the man to whom she visited his nephews in the morgue,that he supposedly shot.? Would she still have been prepared to have married JB and had his children.? Was she so in love that she couldn't envisage more children being shot.?
I'm damn sure that anyone in their right mind, after seeing two dead children,who were supposedly shot by the man you were sleeping with,would have dobbed him in there and then out of sheer fear and not love for the man. How can anyone be in love with someone like that.? Oblivious my eye. It's because he didn't commit any murders and she knows it.
There may not have been animosity on JB's part,,but there certainly was as far as JM was concerned.
If anyone put on an act at the funeral,it was her. Hard as nails.

[susan]

Hi lookout  the moral of this story Julie was not cheap and could not be bought for £400 towards her holiday to Malta she was after bigger fish.  In saying that she did cash the cheque before giving her many statements to the police against Jeremy.

[Steve_uk]

Murder is a very serious accusation,and in this case,it was JM who ( not in as many words ) accused him of and had him convicted.Would she still have gone along with her tissue of lies if he hadn't have dropped her for someone else.? Would she still have continued sleeping with the man to whom she visited his nephews in the morgue,that he supposedly shot.? Would she still have been prepared to have married JB and had his children.? Was she so in love that she couldn't envisage more children being shot.?
I'm damn sure that anyone in their right mind, after seeing two dead children,who were supposedly shot by the man you were sleeping with,would have dobbed him in there and then out of sheer fear and not love for the man. How can anyone be in love with someone like that.? Oblivious my eye. It's because he didn't commit any murders and she knows it.
There may not have been animosity on JB's part,,but there certainly was as far as JM was concerned.
If anyone put on an act at the funeral,it was her. Hard as nails.

She wasn't hard as nails but as a teacher you have to give out an air of authority and control,as you do in many jobs. This was life in the harsh reality of the 1980s with the mass media telling us night and day that "there was no alternative" and many people including myself as a similar age to Julie then swallowed this mantra hook,line and sinker. Had she been a schemer she would not have continuously questioned Jeremy at every opportunity about the murders(Anji Greaves described this as "giving him mouth")and in these question and answer sessions Julie realized just what kind of a man Jeremy really was,a damaged sociopathic individual incapable after Suzette Ford left him of forming a relationship with any other person. Jeremy couldn't face other people being better than him in any way,he couldn't face anyone being happy;maybe it was the grief of Suzette's miscarriages that turned his mind into psychopathy and turned that last Saturday before the murders the joy of Colin's life,the twins,into "a millstone round your neck".

How anybody can say that about the greatest experience any human being can possibly receive,the joy of raising children and having them around shows to me the workings of Jeremy's mind,and I pity him now,no more,though do wish rehabilitation might take place in some quiet spot away from the media glare,if only I knew to whom Jeremy could unburden himself..

[Steve_uk]

Hi steve  just read your post and I think maybe I have had too much sun today or perhaps maybe a funny turn.  Did Julie think Jeremy was doing her a favour killing all his family.  Did she think she was going to be the next Lady of the Manor.  Then she was dumped and all hell was let loose.

Not doing her a favour,but putting in his view two mentally ill women out of their misery,an ailing father and two disturbed twins who were a millstone round Colin's neck.

[susan]

steve  what you are saying now is Jeremy did not murder his family for his inheritance but merely to put them out of their misery a mercy killing is what you are now implying.

[Steve_uk]

steve  what you are saying now is Jeremy did not murder his family for his inheritance but merely to put them out of their misery a mercy killing is what you are now implying.

Yes that would be a fair summary. He was doing everyone a favour in his eyes,and he would finally gain the freedom money would bring,without having to run to his parents every five minutes in order to live the kind of lifestyle he aspired to.

[lookout]

Yes that would be a fair summary. He was doing everyone a favour in his eyes,and he would finally gain the freedom money would bring,without having to run to his parents every five minutes in order to live the kind of lifestyle he aspired to.

Steve,,you get worse with your theories. Mercy killing.? Don't you think he'd have gone after JM and shut her up too.? Isn't this what psychopaths do too.? Afterall,he may as well have been hung for a sheep as a lamb. He had ample time to see her off don't you think.?

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,you get worse with your theories. Mercy killing.? Don't you think he'd have gone after JM and shut her up too.? Isn't this what psychopaths do too.? Afterall,he may as well have been hung for a sheep as a lamb. He had ample time to see her off don't you think.?

No because he'd done what he set out to do and felt an enormous burden had been lifted from him-the laborious farmwork which is 24/7 365 days a year and which did not come natural to him,and for once in his life he controlled the purse strings,exemplified by his feet on Nevill's desk as related by farm secretary Barbara Wilson.

Back in 1 hour.

[susan]

Hi Lookout  I don't agree with steve's theories but he makes them so eloquently you can't help but love him I think he really enjoys your posts he will be back in one hour.

[Roch]

I'm feeling very weak at the moment though.
I'm not deriding the immense efforts by using a weak one-liner.
I'm trying to forward the alternate way to spring JB.
Anyhow, faced with a life behind bars, he's made his bed.
He gone for the overturning the conviction route.
Maybe the contrition route ultimately may of got him out earlier.
Guilty or innocent, he's still behind bars. Surely you cannot dismiss any options?

Firstly, would TonyB admit to killing five people just to get out of prison, instead of going down the 'overturn the conviction route'.  Put your self in the same position.  Well would you?  Secondly, showing contrition wouldn't matter, due to Home Office intervention circa '94.

If you're suggesting that a guilty JB should go down the contrition route, then why would you want him sprung anyway?

[Caroline R]

She did argue this point with Jeremy many times at Blazers' restaurant in Blackheath and at other places but got no response. Jeremy felt nothing;unless you understand this you will never comprehend how one person could kill five people in cold blood. They were no more than mercy killing to him-don't you get it-in his own mind he was doing everyone a favour-and I might add the biggest favour he was doing to himself.

Please describe (being as you have managed to get inside the head of Jeremy Bamber), just how he thought he was doing everyone a favour?

[Jane]

Please describe (being as you have managed to get inside the head of Jeremy Bamber), just how he thought he was doing everyone a favour?

Hi Caroline. WOW!! HOW spooky!!! As I read the quote, I found myself wondering what sort of mind can get into the mind of a supposed psychopath and understand it

[lookout]

Hi Caroline. WOW!! HOW spooky!!! As I read the quote, I found myself wondering what sort of mind can get into the mind of a supposed psychopath and understand it

Another psychopath,April. It takes one to know one.

[susan]

Hi Caroline  How are you today.  steve did explain to me why he said Jeremy was doing the family a favour by taking their lives from them.  Not quoting his exact words but you could read back on his posts if you have a free day. June was a religious maniac, Sheila had mental problems the two little boys were becoming a burden to Colin and he could not cope with them and Ralph was a frail old man.They are not his exact words but very close the only one that maybe different was June her problem was religion.  This is why it was a mercy killing he was doing them a favour.