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Caroline R

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« Reply #135 on: August 08, 2013, 10:49:PM »
Please forgive me for 'bumping' this topic

Nothing to forgive!! But did you have a reason?  ;D ;D

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #136 on: August 08, 2013, 11:28:PM »
Thank you Caroline, yes I wrote a long post(which disappeared). Basically it was referring to Abs picture 13 in the WHF gallery, of the interior shot of the Back Kitchen or that which Jeremy refers to as the 'Laundry Room'
Looking thro' a powerful lens, I think I see, at the end of the settle, a pair of light blue socks. Then I can make bent legs as of a body on its back. Then a risen up bluey .coloured nightdress. I cannot make out the head, which would be in the vicinity of the threshold of the open backdoor.
Or is it a peculiar apparition from Time immemorial?


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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #137 on: August 08, 2013, 11:48:PM »
Thank you Caroline, yes I wrote a long post(which disappeared). Basically it was referring to Abs picture 13 in the WHF gallery, of the interior shot of the Back Kitchen or that which Jeremy refers to as the 'Laundry Room'
Looking thro' a powerful lens, I think I see, at the end of the settle, a pair of light blue socks. Then I can make bent legs as of a body on its back. Then a risen up bluey .coloured nightdress. I cannot make out the head, which would be in the vicinity of the threshold of the open backdoor.
Or is it a peculiar apparition from Time immemorial?

This one?

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #138 on: August 08, 2013, 11:49:PM »
Thank you Caroline, yes I wrote a long post(which disappeared). Basically it was referring to Abs picture 13 in the WHF gallery, of the interior shot of the Back Kitchen or that which Jeremy refers to as the 'Laundry Room'
Looking thro' a powerful lens, I think I see, at the end of the settle, a pair of light blue socks. Then I can make bent legs as of a body on its back. Then a risen up bluey .coloured nightdress. I cannot make out the head, which would be in the vicinity of the threshold of the open backdoor.
Or is it a peculiar apparition from Time immemorial?
Hi Campion, how are you counting photo #13, have tried to look at it but not sure which pic you are speaking of. ;) ;)

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #139 on: August 08, 2013, 11:59:PM »
The interesting feature of this photograph, concerns a vital piece of evidence to which Jeremy spoke about to police in one or other of his first witness statements, and I think, later on in one or other of his police interviews at the beginning of September 1985...

I am surprised no-one has picked up on this crucial point before...

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« Reply #140 on: August 09, 2013, 12:05:AM »
Yes Maggie, thank you, that is the one -kitchen 13. This picture is atad clearer. I can make out the dark haired head near or on the doorstep. The left arm, near the door,  has a flash of white( or light on it) making it more imprecise. I am sure now that there is a form (or body) there.

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« Reply #141 on: August 09, 2013, 12:09:AM »
Mike, is it that the door does not appear to have been damaged by Woody's sledge hammer?

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« Reply #142 on: August 09, 2013, 12:13:AM »
Yes Maggie, thank you, that is the one -kitchen 13. This picture is atad clearer. I can make out the dark haired head near or on the doorstep. The left arm, near the door,  has a flash of white( or light on it) making it more imprecise. I am sure now that there is a form (or body) there.

You are referring to area inside yellow circle?
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« Reply #143 on: August 09, 2013, 12:14:AM »
Mike, is it that the door does not appear to have been damaged by Woody's sledge hammer?

Door knocked off its hinges (inward)...

If that be Sheila's body, it could only have got into that position, after the door had been smashed open by the police sledge hammer, meaning that Sheila could not have been dead upstairs in the bedroom at the time police first entered the farmhouse, she was in fact, behind the door that police smashed open...
« Last Edit: August 09, 2013, 12:17:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #144 on: August 09, 2013, 12:19:AM »
Door knocked off its hinges (inward)...

If that be Sheila's body, it could only have got into that position, after the door had been smashed open by the police sledge hammer, meaning that Sheila could not have been dead upstairs in the bedroom at the time police first entered the farmhouse, she was in fact, behind the door that police smashed open...
Sorry campion/mike, I can't see it.  I can see something blue by the bin??

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #145 on: August 09, 2013, 12:20:AM »
Door knocked off its hinges (inward)...

If that be Sheila's body, it could only have got into that position, after the door had been smashed open by the police sledge hammer, meaning that Sheila could not have been dead upstairs in the bedroom at the time police first entered the farmhouse, she was in fact, behind the door that police smashed open...

Did PC Collins look into the kitchen through the window shown in the same image, and did he report seeing a female body behind the door shown which has been smashed open by its hinges?

Food for thought...
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #146 on: August 09, 2013, 12:22:AM »
Mike, is it that the door does not appear to have been damaged by Woody's sledge hammer?

No, no, no, I wasn't referring to the door, or what might turn out to be a body on the floor...

I was referring to...

This:-
« Last Edit: August 09, 2013, 12:24:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #147 on: August 09, 2013, 12:31:AM »
Thank you Mike for highlighting the apparent supine figure in yellow. It is conceivable that the flash on the left arm is from light emitted from a flashbulb striking a watch glass. Ditto for flashes of white near the head, caused by earrings?
Through the window by which Collins observed a female, is that the farm Sherpa van?

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« Reply #148 on: August 09, 2013, 12:40:AM »
Sorry guys, I don't see a person shaped figure - looks more like a tree branch!!

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« Reply #149 on: August 09, 2013, 12:41:AM »
No, no, no, I wasn't referring to the door, or what might turn out to be a body on the floor...

I was referring to...

This:-

Jeremy told police that he had removed the ammunition magazine from the anshulz rifle, and the single round in the breach, and deposited them on the settle in the kitchen. Now, because three different rooms inside whf were often referred to by the family as "the Kitchen", unless you know the difference between each of these kitchens, it becomes confusing about where exactly Jeremy deposited the ammunition magazine before going home on evening of 6th August...

Kitchen
Back kitchen (Diary)
Main kitchen

Jeremy has always maintained to the police and myself, that he removed the ammunition magazine from the anshulz rifle, before going home to his cottage on evening of 6th August 1985, and that it was full of bullets. He deposited the ammunition magazine on the settle in the kitchen, not the main kitchen, or the back kitchen, but to be specific, he has always maintained that he placed the ammunition magazine on the settle in the kitchen...

Any way...

Police photographed the settle in the kitchen, with the ammunition magazine on the settle, just where Jeremy said he had left it, in the kitchen, not the back kitchen, not the main kitchen, but the kitchen...

Now, this is where the comments passed by the trial judge who once sentenced me to a total of 52 years comes into its own:-

He said, before imposing such barbaric sentences upon me - " The picture I have of you, is of a highly intelligent, cunning, resourceful, and illusive crook"...

Can somebody, please explain to me, how the magazine to the anshulz rifle was photographed on the settle by police, exactly where Jeremy has always maintained he had placed it before leaving whf for the last time before any body got shot, and yet later (by 10 O'clock) the anshulz rifle is being photographed on top of Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor, with its ammunition magazine slotted into position in the rifle, with the fingers of Sheila's right hand upon the magazine in question?

How did it become transformed from the settle in the kitchen, onto the gun in the bedroom - who moved it and fitted it into the rifle, and everything else that was done during the stage managing process - NOT JEREMY, surely...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...