PS Saxby - the unanswered question:-

[gringo]

Are you me in disguise? 

I thought you were me in disguise . Usually I just read the forum Roch because you seemed to do most of my talking for me 

[mike tesko]

Erm, why do you need to be so rude?

Read my previous post, then see the page from Myalls statement.

If an alternative explaination is indicated elsewhere, then let's see it please. I can only base an opinion on what is put in front of us.

Where did PC Myall get all the additional information from that which is typed out in his witness statement? You can spot the additional information by comparing notes allegedly written up by PC Myall in his pocketbook in handwritten entries dated 7th August 1985, against the contents of his typed witness statement, dated, 15th August 1985...

[Roch]

I thought you were me in disguise . Usually I just read the forum Roch because you seemed to do most of my talking for me 

Cheers 

Will the prosecution also now have to shift its' position that Julie Mugford came forward to unburden her self (7/9/85?)  Julie Mugford was arrested before this date wasn't she? 

[Bridget]

The changing times / conflicting logs as one example . The prosecution had to accommodate newly disclosed logs, which cast doubt on their initial position, for the 2002 appeal .
 Do you believe that the prosecution as presented in 1986 would convict now ? If the defence had all information they now have in 1986, the prosecution would be laughed out of court .

Do you mean the timings for the phone call from JB to the police? That was dealt with at the original trial, the prosecution case hasn't shifted on that issue at all. Rather, what I see is the defence (quite rightly) picking up on anomalies, and the police / prosecution explaining them. You might not like their explanations, but that is what they are.

[mike tesko]

For obvious reasons, Essex police have not attempted to reconcile the anomolies relating to the clock in the control room, with the corresponding difference in time, relevant to the clock of Mugfords friends clock, many miles away in London...

[Bridget]

For obvious reasons, Essex police have not attempted to reconcile the anomolies relating to the clock in the control room, with the corresponding difference in time, relevant to the clock of Mugfords friends clock, many miles away in London...

The friend explained why her clock was set wrong, it's something I used to do myself. I believe the police checked her clock as well.

[mike tesko]

The friend explained why her clock was set wrong, it's something I used to do myself. I believe the police checked her clock as well.

Don't get clever - what if the clock was incorrect before she reset it, lets say it was 10 minutes fast, she then resets the clock thinking she is setting it 10 minutes fast, when all along sge was resetting the time correctly...

In any event, Jeremy called Julie mugford, not Julie Mugfords friend. What was required here was a comparison between Julie Mugfords clock, and her friends clock, which as I understand it was not done for one reason or another...

I wonder why...

[-Harters-]

Where did PC Myall get all the additional information from that which is typed out in his witness statement? You can spot the additional information by comparing notes allegedly written up by PC Myall in his pocketbook in handwritten entries dated 7th August 1985, against the contents of his typed witness statement, dated, 15th August 1985...

Nicely side stepped. 

I'm sure his statement is based on his recollection of events, just like any other witness statement. If his notebook said it was night, but his statement said it was day, then that would be a different matter. The notebook and the statement do not contradict each other.

Anyway, my point is, if you are really interested in the truth, then you surely wouldn't have a problem with looking at all of the available information, even if you thought some of the information was innaccurate for whatever reason, if that was the case you would simply express that opinion.

We're talking about Myall, Saxby and Bews and the reason for them taking a particular course of action. Bews 16/8/85 statement and Saxbys statement as referred to on Jeremys official website, are two very obviously missing documents which would need to be taken into account.

As it stands we only Myalls account and he indicates that the firearms team were called following Jeremy giving his opinion that Sheila could use all of the guns, all of the guns were loaded and she was a nutter. There is nothing which suggests that the firearms team were called because they saw movement in the house.

If there is any evidence which does indicate that the firearms team were called because movement was seen in the house, then would you please be kind enough to show us?

I can't think of a reason why you would be against revealing such evidence.

[-Harters-]

The friend explained why her clock was set wrong, it's something I used to do myself. I believe the police checked her clock as well.

Yes, it was verified on an unnanounced police visit.

[mike tesko]

[quote author=-The Jam- link=topic=3170.msg122935#msg122935

As it stands we only Myalls account and he indicates that the firearms team were called following Jeremy giving his opinion that Sheila could use all of the guns, all of the guns were loaded and she was a nutter. There is nothing which suggests that the firearms team were called because they saw movement in the house.

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Details which were missing from his notebook that he wrote up on the morning of 7th August 1985.where did Myall get that information from, and who prompted him to include it in his later witness statement?

[mike tesko]

[quote author=-The Jam- link=topic=3170.msg122935#msg122935

As it stands we only Myalls account and he indicates that the firearms team were called following Jeremy giving his opinion that Sheila could use all of the guns, all of the guns were loaded and she was a nutter. There is nothing which suggests that the firearms team were called because they saw movement in the house.



Details which were missing from his notebook that he wrote up on the morning of 7th August 1985.where did Myall get that information from, and who prompted him to include it in his later witness statement?

The very same crucial information, is also missing from the pocketbook entries of PS Bews, supposedly written up on 7th August 1985 - how odd...

[mike tesko]

The very same crucial information, is also missing from the pocketbook entries of PS Bews, supposedly written up on 7th August 1985 - how odd...

Both officers insert the reference to Jeremy having allegedly called his sister a nutter, and the claim he told them that his sister could use all the firearms in the farmhouse, yet both conveniently omitted these details when they both wrote up thier pocketbook entries on 7th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Both officers insert the reference to Jeremy having allegedly called his sister a nutter, and the claim he told them that his sister could use all the firearms in the farmhouse, yet both conveniently omitted these details when they both wrote up thier pocketbook entries on 7th August 1985...

Both omit any reference to the sighting of the person when they write up thier notes in thier pocketbooks, which they write up supposedly on 7th August 1985, and make no mention of the same when they make thier witness statements, nor do they record any actual duties performed by them at the scene involving messages relayed betwee the firearms officers at the scene, and the control room, and vice versa...

[lookout]

Both omit any reference to the sighting of the person when they write up thier notes in thier pocketbooks, which they write up supposedly on 7th August 1985, and make no mention of the same when they make thier witness statements, nor do they record any actual duties performed by them at the scene involving messages relayed betwee the firearms officers at the scene, and the control room, and vice versa...

That information would be in his " other " pocketbook,Mike. Didn't they work on two.?

[mike tesko]

Once you start to examine the contents of PC Myalls pocketbook entries for Events 7th August 1985, not only is crucial information missing from the pocketbook which materializes later in his statement, but he apparently writes 6 pages of notes in his pocketbook between 10:25am and 10:30am (which I am sorry to say is unacceptable) and lo and behold who should countersign those magical notes but none other than the dark knight rises, PS Bews...

BEWS ALSO WRITES 7 PAGES OF NOTES, between 10:25am, and 10::30am...

What a load of codswallop these so called officers of the law, are...

Lying no good bastards...