Mike deciding to shut down the forum

[Jane]

Grahame is a long standing member of this forum and deserves our support,which he obviously feels he didnt get.I agree he has made some very unfortunate posts of late but I feel that these were made out of anger and sheer frustration.And I see why! The two main instigators of the abuse toward Grahame are not even on British soil.They spout their filth from behind a computer screen from other countries.How cowardly! The upshot of this is that Grahame cannot involve the police or worse still,have the oppurtunity to front them out face to face.Can any of you image what this must do to a mans pride?He quite rightly wants to protect his family,and frustratingly his hands are tied.I know that if it were me in this position,my hubby would be on the first plane out to Luxembourg/Alicante,but Grahame is poorly himself and needed at home.
Grahame should be cut some slack imo and of course he should be welcomed back.Before the abuse from "over the way" started,Grahame was an excellent poster and with our support and compassion for what he is going through,can be again.
I for one look forward to your return Grahame.Fresh start eh?  xx

Hi Tyler, great post! The internet is full of trolls and people trying to find out who you are. When they do find out all about you, they plaster all your details over the net. Grahame, Jackie and Keira have been victims of such abuse and we as posters should support them, even in their anger and frustration. But sometimes those that have been abused, sadly start to abuse others. I suggest time out and the other thing I suggest is not to look at the other forum if that forum is abusing you.

I recently looked on FACEBOOK where I saw Keira being abused and all her personal details revealed. Thankfully, facebook has a good tracking sytem and will take action if reported, unike Twitter who has no guidlines at all. There are many ways to report the abuse, but it is up to the idividual to seek help, in order to have this account brought to book.

At the end of the day, Grahame is an adult and as an ex mod he should be mindful of what he says and try hard not to get into any confrontation. I say to Grahame rise above it, don't being the other board to this forum, but deal with it sensibley behind the scenes. I will always support anyone who has been a victim of abuse, but I wont bring it too the forum...Does that make snese? 

GREAT POSTS, both of you, I'm with you all the way, and YES, Patti, you do, indeed make perfect SNESE!!!

[petey]

Jam tarts = Hearts.

Thanks

Pete = slow!

[Patti]

Hi April...I am buggered without my spell checker on this lapppy....hahahahahha snese lol Why don't you be a mod...Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze xxx

[maggie]

Hi April...I am buggered without my spell checker on this lapppy....hahahahahha snese lol Why don't you be a mod...Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze xxx

I so agree Patti, she is made for modding. Born for a career as a mod in my opinion.

[Roch]

Can I just mention, as someone from across the divide, that I have spoken to Grahame numerous times on the phone and have always found him polite and intelligent and actually quite capable of seeing both sides of the story. His treatment on the red forum was appalling, with things said about his family that were well beyond 'banter'.
The person above, simply doesn't fit the person who attacked Roch and NGB and my personal feeling is that someone has goaded him into taking the foolish steps he took and I can imagine him feeling a complete prat now for listening to them.
I cannot condone anything he's done over the past few days or even his tone with dealing with Mat, but I do believe him to be a good man, who's acted the fool.

I have to say that if mike had refused his plea to be a mod then none of us would ever have known what had happened and he should apologise for his part also.

Just to add to this, I think there is some genuine division among members from over the way, as to whether or not it was acceptable to post up that pic of grahame's mother.  Somebody has put up a really poor argument that because the photo was taken from another site available for viewing, then it's ok to transfer her pic to the forum.  What on earth had grahame's mum got to do with the case?  She has no connection whatsoever to anyone actually linked to this case.  Now I'm not saying the members over here have not done similar things.  I remember when a photograph of the son of a police officer linked to the case was posted up and this caused a lot of concern.  I'm not trying to score points here and there are other examples of where people's family have been drawn in to things.  It's a pity we cant reach some kind of unwritten 'gentleman's agreement' with the mods at the other place that this kind of thing should be a no go area? 

Ladies....I use the term gentlemen in a unisex way 

[ngb1066]

Just to add to this, I think there is some genuine division among members from over the way, as to whether or not it was acceptable to post up that pic of grahame's mother.  Somebody has put up a really poor argument that because the photo was taken from another site available for viewing, then it's ok to transfer her pic to the forum.  What on earth had grahame's mum got to do with the case?  She has no connection whatsoever to anyone actually linked to this case.  Now I'm not saying the members over here have not done similar things.  I remember when a photograph of the son of a police officer linked to the case was posted up and this caused a lot of concern.  I'm not trying to score points here and there are other examples of where people's family have been drawn in to things.  It's a pity we cant reach some kind of unwritten 'gentleman's agreement' with the mods at the other place that this kind of thing should be a no go area?  Ladies....I use the term gentlemen in a unisex way 

There is no chance of that happening Roch.  Can you see Tim Bennett and John Lamberton exercising any restraint?

 

[Roch]

There is no chance of that happening Roch.  Can you see Tim Bennett and John Lamberton exercising any restraint?

It may be unlikely Neil. 

I've previously moderated posts that referred to his wife because she has no connection to these forums.  That's the point I'm making.  It should work both ways and is the kind of thing that should be a no go area. I think some of their members would agree with this.

[Jane]

I have NO idea how it's to be accomplished, but I feel very strongly that until some sense of balance is achieved in outlining what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't, these outbursts will continue. IMO there MUST be boundries to provide safety and security for everybody.

[Roch]

I see Jackie Preece is offering to sell her soul to of all people, John.  Absolutely no scruples whatsoever.  A complete inability to take any responsibility whatsoever for negative events that have taken place.  It's always somebody else's fault, never hers.  Never once have I ever seen Jackie Preece hold her hands up on a forum.  Not once.  never once have I seen Jackie Preece turn down the opportunity to twist something in to something that it is not. 

I will clarify one issue.  Jackie is extremely unhappy that people have, out of genuine concern, questioned her wellbeing.  However, the people who have questioned Jackie's wellbeing, could find no other explanation to fit her behaviour.  Repeatedly baffled, they were left with no other explanation that might fit her behaviour.  That is the truth.

I will not comment on this subject any further.

[tyler]

Roch.........I just did a long post in response to your post above........and it did not post 
Im not writing it all out again,I feel too poorly today.

In short,is it  really not on option to allow Jackie  to return to the forum and then maybe Jackie,ngb and yourself sort all of her concerns out via pm's?

Just a thought?

[Jane]

Roch.........I just did a long post in response to your post above........and it did not post 
Im not writing it all out again,I feel too poorly today.

In short,is it  really not on option to allow Jackie  to return to the forum and then maybe Jackie,ngb and yourself sort all of her concerns out via pm's?

Just a thought?

Sorry to hear you're feeling poorly, Tyler. Hope you feel better soon,

[Roch]

Roch.........I just did a long post in response to your post above........and it did not post 
Im not writing it all out again,I feel too poorly today.

In short,is it  really not on option to allow Jackie  to return to the forum and then maybe Jackie,ngb and yourself sort all of her concerns out via pm's?

Just a thought?

Hi Tyler, hope you're not hungover?  :D   

I have nothing further of any note to say on the matter for now.  People can make their own minds up about what we have been dealing with here for many months and whether it is likely that negotiation based on good will and rational thinking would be successful.  I think such avenues have already been explored many times over.

[guest154]

I still don't feel its quite right to excuse Grahame's constant abuse to members HERE because what OTHER people do elsewhere. 

[Roch]

I still don't feel its quite right to excuse Grahame's constant abuse to members HERE because what OTHER people do elsewhere. 

I don't think anybody is excusing Grahame's more terse posts.  But neither should any member fuel Grahame's fire.  Pouring oil on the flames isn't going to help.  Arguing your case, yes that's fair enough.  But there's got to be a line drawn when doing that.

[guest154]

I don't think anybody is excusing Grahame's more terse posts.  But neither should any member fuel Grahame's fire.  Pouring oil on the flames isn't going to help.  Arguing your case, yes that's fair enough.  But there's got to be a line drawn when doing that.

This is a genuine question Roch, but if Grahame wasn't a long standing member - would the abuse that he's given to members and mods, including the hateful rants where he swears like a trooper have resulted in a ban?
I've seen people banned over a lot less?

Also - Jackie calling you and NGB Batman and Robin on the other forum......sorry but  I guess she's cat woman!