How police pulled off the greatest deception of all regarding photo's of bible..

[susan]

Hi Jon  not sure about the phones I am quite confused maybe systems were different then I am in a new house and if I leave the main phone off wired to the main the socket one of the others will ring.  Maybe Ralph was attacked whilst using the phone and that is why it was left off plus EP on day one were looking at 4 murders and one suicide so I don't think they took too much notice of anything and evidence would have been destroyed as not being required.

[lookout]

So she was scared of Jeremy but STILL wanted him to take her home? You dont ask someone you're scared of to take you home!

Sheila was scared of her own shadow. It's a trait with paranoid schizophrenics,,and is where the paranoid comes in to play,,,seeing things that are not there,,and having irrational thoughts.
To say she was scared of Jeremy was just another " nail in his coffin " so far as the B.O.G are concerned.

[mike tesko]

In order to fully understand the Bible conspiracy in this case, we need to know which bible was handed back to Ann Eaton? I do not believe she would have wanted the version with the blood on the pages, perhaps those who know the family can shed some light on this, unless they are scared to do so, because they fear it might open up a can of worms?

[Steve_uk]

Morning Jon  I had a big dicussion on the phone being off the hook disabling all other phones in the house as I thought this was the case according to Reader who is very well up on these matters this is not correct.  I have 4 phones in my house and I took the phone off the hook at the main socket where the BT line enters the house but I still could use any one of the other three phones quite successfully.  So I always thought that to be the case but I was wrong and Bridget again was right about the phones as she was of the same opinion before Reader got involved.

For Jeremy's plan to succeed he knows he can't let his greatest threat,Ralph(Nevill) near a telephone. Jeremy has left the anschutz rifle on the settle and this is his murder weapon,and also acts as the perfect excuse if by chance anything does go wrong Jeremy can claim that he came back into the house to put the rifle away and would have to postpone his murder attempt. However as we know in Jeremy's mind it had all gone swimmingly,so much so that by the September he didn't even see Julie as a threat which is why he felt able to two-time her with Virginia.

[Roch]

in Jeremy's mind it had all gone swimmingly, so much so that by the September he didn't even see Julie as a threat.

Right.  So let's just recap.  He informs Julie of great malice towards his family.  This includes aborted schemes. Then, he provides her almost with a running commentary during the night in question.  He then calls her to his aid for false 'support' in his hour of need, brags to her he should have been an actor, allows her to view his victims with terrible injuries.... but despite all the media attention upon him, he does not regard her as a threat.  And this is his grand plan to secure the estate and all the money he has lusted after?

And to paraphrase your 'swimmingly well' phrase, just as everything is going swimmingly well, instead of saying "I told you so" to the police, he actually blames their own TFG for the deaths.

[mertol22]

So therefore these calls to JM full of good news and highly positive were being listened to with great intrest by EP as he was under watch , so i assume they provided call voice transcripts in court , easy enough we had the no how.

[Steve_uk]

Right.  So let's just recap.  He informs Julie of great malice towards his family.  This includes aborted schemes. Then, he provides her almost with a running commentary during the night in question.  He then calls her to his aid for false 'support' in his hour of need, brags to her he should have been an actor, allows her to view his victims with terrible injuries.... but despite all the media attention upon him, he does not regard her as a threat.  And this is his grand plan to secure the estate and all the money he has lusted after?

And to paraphrase your 'swimmingly well' phrase, just as everything is going swimmingly well, instead of saying "I told you so" to the police, he actually blames their own TFG for the deaths.

The telephone call during the night was to implicate her as an accessory Roch,should she decide to go to the Police. I would think that having killed five people it would take its toll on the individual concerned however much of a sociopath he might have been.How long can any normal person keep the knowledge inside of such gruesome crimes? Remember that by the September Jeremy thought the case was over and done with and that he had nothing to fear,hence his decision to play the field. He had used Julie for his purposes and even had there been no murders I think those early days of their relationship when he used to sleep with her at Goldsmiths' College then drive back to the farm were over.

[Roch]

The telephone call during the night was to implicate her as an accessory Roch,should she decide to go to the Police. I would think that having killed five people it would take its toll on the individual concerned however much of a sociopath he might have been.How long can any normal person keep the knowledge inside of such gruesome crimes? Remember that by the September Jeremy thought the case was over and done with and that he had nothing to fear,hence his decision to play the field. He had used Julie for his purposes and even had there been no murders I think those early days of their relationship when he used to sleep with her at Goldsmiths' College then drive back to the farm were over.

Sometimes your take on certain aspects is interesting. 

[Bridget]

Sometimes your take on certain aspects is interesting.

Be honest, how many times did you change your response before you wittled it down to that?

[Roch]

Be honest, how many times did you change your response before you wittled it down to that?

Absolutely none.  I didn't change my response once.  What makes you ask that?

[Bridget]

Absolutely none.  I didn't change my response once.  What makes you ask that?

It looked like a supreme effort at being polite

[Roch]

It looked like a supreme effort at being polite

About one in ten of Steve's posts make think along different lines.  He may have explored some aspects in his own mind, along different lines than others have pursued. 

[mike tesko]

For Jeremy's plan to succeed he knows he can't let his greatest threat,Ralph(Nevill) near a telephone. Jeremy has left the anschutz rifle on the settle and this is his murder weapon,and also acts as the perfect excuse if by chance anything does go wrong Jeremy can claim that he came back into the house to put the rifle away and would have to postpone his murder attempt. However as we know in Jeremy's mind it had all gone swimmingly,so much so that by the September he didn't even see Julie as a threat which is why he felt able to two-time her with Virginia.

You still have not dealt with how the rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes saw resting against the bedroom window, some 15 minutes before the raid team set off to get into the house, ended up on Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph it there, after 10am? Of course, if the rifle in question is the murder weapon, then it kind of puts your theory that Jeremy was / is the killer to the torch, so to speak. Anything that Jeremy might have done with the rifle beforehand, or as you say on the previous evening, has no relevance to who shot and killed Sheila with that rifle if she was shot under the chin by that rifle after the raid team entered the premises. You cannot get out of answering this matter by simply arguing that you do not believe or accept that the rifle was seen at the bedroom window by WPC Jeapes, or that you do not believe that the rifle was moved from the bedroom window onto the body after the raid team entered the premises - because all the evidence points to it being the rifle there, and that police moved it onto Sheila's body after photo' 23 (showing a view of the rifle resting against the window from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs) was taken by PC Bird ...

The Mugford evidence you are trying to fill everyone's head with is nonsense and does not fit in with the now known facts...

[mike tesko]

You still have not dealt with how the rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes saw resting against the bedroom window, some 15 minutes before the raid team set off to get into the house, ended up on Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph it there, after 10am? Of course, if the rifle in question is the murder weapon, then it kind of puts your theory that Jeremy was / is the killer to the torch, so to speak. Anything that Jeremy might have done with the rifle beforehand, or as you say on the previous evening, has no relevance to who shot and killed Sheila with that rifle if she was shot under the chin by that rifle after the raid team entered the premises. You cannot get out of answering this matter by simply arguing that you do not believe or accept that the rifle was seen at the bedroom window by WPC Jeapes, or that you do not believe that the rifle was moved from the bedroom window onto the body after the raid team entered the premises - because all the evidence points to it being the rifle there, and that police moved it onto Sheila's body after photo' 23 (showing a view of the rifle resting against the window from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs) was taken by PC Bird ...

The Mugford evidence you are trying to fill everyone's head with is nonsense and does not fit in with the now known facts...

Chill out, and listen to this:-

"By this stage the devil had totally taken over Sheila's mind, and was encouraging her to commit suicide"...



(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4EB3dl9j8

[Steve_uk]

We don't know if the rifle allegedly seen by WPC Jeapes was the murder weapon,we are unsure as to which window it was seen at,and we are unsure as to whether it was loaded or not. We know that Ralph(Nevill)was known to be careful with guns in the house and I would assume that he kept control of the ammunition. Jeremy would know this and would have to check that the ammunition he left out on the kitchen worktop was still there when he entered the property early that Wednesday morning.

Sheila and Jeremy led for the most part separate lives. Maybe frightened is too strong a word to use,and if she and the twins walked round the farm one day and met Jeremy what of it..