If police shot Sheila after photo 23 - silencer evidence is dodgy...

[mike tesko]

Once you bring yourself to accept or suspect that photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, which are images of Sheila with two bullet entry wounds on her throat and the ansulz rifle atop her body, were taken after PC Bird took photo 23, not beforehand, and that police have tampered with and docotored photographic records so that they could mislead the court and everyone else into believing that such photo's were taken before 23, and that 7/8 photographic negatives which were taken showing views of Sheila's body before police shot her under the chin through mishandling of a loaded rifle,  you can then also begin to see how totally unreliable the silencer evidence was and is? You can then see why the police and the relatives went to such great lengths to get the silencer/blood/paint evidence in?

If police shot Sheila with the anshulz rifle from the bedroom window at some stage after photo 23 was taken, they would have known if a silencer was fitted to the barrel of the gun when she was shot under the chin by them? Either, silencer was fitted to barrel, or not? Or, barrel of rifle had its metal end cap screwed on to it, or the external thread on the end of the barrel was exposed, when they shot Sheila - if there was no silencer used at this time, questions will need to be asked about how Sheila's blood managed to get inside a silencer in the first place? How could a silencer have been used to inflict the fatal wound under the chin, and the police not be aware of it, and for them to deny that they did not look for one, or find one at the scene?

[mike tesko]

The claim that a silencer was used on the gun when Sheila was shot under the chin, can easily be resolved without the need for the relatives to find it days after police handed the keys back to the family? You don't need any help from the relatives, or to rely on dodgy blood and paint evidence which came to light later, to prove or disprove a silencer was fitted to the guns barrel when the fatal bullet (PV/19) was fired under Sheila's chin. You don't need to tamper with the exhibit reference of any silencer, (SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1) and you did not need a dodgy theory from the prosecutions ballistic expert Malcom Flecther)  to toss into the melting pot, a reason explaining exactly how Sheila's blood got into the silencer when she was shot (under chin) and killed - you do not need any of this / that nonsense, because police shot and killed Sheila, and whichever weapon they used to do so, it was known to them, if a silencer was used at that time, or not?

[mike tesko]

This is / was the order that PC Bird took pictures of Sheila in the bedroom after he took photograph 23 - 24, 25, 26, 27, 278, 29, 30, 31 and 32...

[Buddy]

What possible reason was there for the police to shoot Sheila execution style, or are you suggesting that it was an accidental discharge?

[mike tesko]

What possible reason was there for the police to shoot Sheila execution style, or are you suggesting that it was an accidental discharge?

Hang on a minute - look at the evidence...

Please show me or direct me to any photographic evidence which proves or confirms that photographs 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were taken before photo' 23? You will not be able to find any such evidence, because none exists, and so you were saying....

[mike tesko]

Unless anybody can produce any evidence to the contrary, and produce any evidence that photographs 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were taken before photo' 23, the facts speak for themselves, such photographs were taken after the taking of 23, not beforehand...

Anyone who cannot follow such a simplistic logic are wasting their time trying to put forward an alternative interpretation of the facts....

[mike tesko]

What needs to be done, is to compare what PC Bird and dI Cook said when testifying during the trial, against the detail contained in  the photographic schedules, which are not compatible...

It doesn't add up...

[Buddy]

Hang on a minute - look at the evidence...

Please show me or direct me to any photographic evidence which proves or confirms that photographs 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were taken before photo' 23? You will not be able to find any such evidence, because none exists, and so you were saying....

That was not my point Mike. You would lose me on the photo evidence.
 I was merely asking what makes you believe the police fired the fatal shot, and for what reason.
As I have suggested it could have been an accidental discharge, if of course that it what happened.

[mike tesko]

That was not my point Mike. You would lose me on the photo evidence.
 I was merely asking what makes you believe the police fired the fatal shot, and for what reason.
As I have suggested it could have been an accidental discharge, if of course that it what happened.

Sheila got shot under the  chin by the police because thyy were negligent, careless and clumsy when they took possession of the rifle after PC Bird took photo' 23, and placed it on Sheila's body. What becomes apparent is that the rifle which later appears on top of Sheila's body,  was always resting againsting against the bedroom window, and did not move at any stage, between the occasion WPC Jeapes saw it at the window before the raid team went into the premises, and when PC Bird photographed it there in photo' 23. What I am saying, and what I have always be saying is that the second fatal shot (PV/19) was not already inflicted by the time Sheila's body ended up on the bedroom floor, with the rifle propped against the window, literally yards away from her body, and the police concluding that she committed suicide. From that point on the police covered up how Sheila had been shot by them in those circumstances, because Jeremy had made a complaint to a police officer at the scene that police had shot and killed his family. Police did not set out to frame Jeremy for killing Sheila, the cover up about how she got shot the second time was instigated and carried out with self preservation in mind, because there wss some truth in Jeremys allegation that police had shot his family, albeit they shot Sheila with use of the rifle from the bedroom window after Jereny made the complaint? The police were in full control of how the scene and the dwaths of the vuctims would be processed, and whether or not police shit Sheila as described, nobody was in a position to prove that they did whilst ever the case was being treated as four murders and a suicide. But once relatives started to stick thier noses into police affairs, it was much too late for Essex police to turn back the clock and pronounce to the whole world about what they had done, and what they did. It then became a damage limitation exercise - this is when all the editing and rejugging of tge contents of witness statements came into play, and the tampering of the photographic records as described...