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Offline lookout

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2012, 01:17:PM »
I wonder if it was a " trick of the light " when the rifle was seen at the window.? I've never heard of so many lame excuses in a case that was as big as this one of its time.

You see,Grahame,,people are in the habit,,,or were back then,of looking up to the law and believing their every word. Those of us of a certain age,were " programmed " to respect the law and take their word as gospel.
Sadly,it's not always like that,and the police weren't as they were 20 years prior to then.

Then you had the interfering relatives,which should NEVER have been allowed.All they were thinking about were themselves. The way they " took over " the case was abominable as all they did was to run Jeremy down,who wasn't exactly the right flavour so far as the police were concerned either,,though why someones personality had to come into the scenario,I don't know,,but it did.

However,,I've wondered and pondered a lot of things about this case,,and whichever way you look at it,it doesn't sit right at all. Every move that was made by the police seemed to have had a hidden agenda in which to throw the blame on someone who wasn't even there.

Raid teams are only sent if there's been absolute proof that someone is armed ( not because the fathers' phone-call said so )I remember reading that,somewhere,there are 6 audio tapes that were recorded from inside the house. Who would use 6 if there was no response.?
That 2 hours would have been the negotiating time,to my mind.
The tapes are allegedly at Southend,held under PII.Why.?

Sheila would have opened the curtains at the beginning of daylight so as not to arouse any suspicion with the lights having been on most of the night,presumably.
All this is going on while Jeremy's outside.! It's unbelievable.   

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2012, 01:21:PM »
BTW,Grahame,sorry,,,I hope you're on the mend and feeling a bit better. You'll sleep like a log tonight.x

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2012, 01:22:PM »
Grahame I second the sentiments of lookout.

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 08:26:PM »
Grahame, I too, hope that you are feeling better.
I think this "FIRST LIGHT" question is really alarming!
It had never occurred to me that events unfolded partly in daylight!
Why has this never been raised before?
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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2012, 08:40:PM »
Grahame, I hope you have a more comfortable night tonight.

SUMMER, this has been staring us in the face since it happened but we've all failed to pick up on it.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2012, 08:46:PM »
Grahame, I hope you have a more comfortable night tonight.

SUMMER, this has been staring us in the face since it happened but we've all failed to pick up on it.

Indeed it has.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2012, 08:49:PM »
Failed to pick up on what?
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2012, 08:52:PM »
What's been under out noses? I'm lost.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2012, 08:57:PM »
Failed to pick up on what?


Bridget, When I see it in my head, it's always pitch dark. The police are falling over each other because they can't use torches, but if it was that dark when they got there it couldn't have stayed dark for long.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2012, 09:00:PM »

Bridget, When I see it in my head, it's always pitch dark. The police are falling over each other because they can't use torches, but if it was that dark when they got there it couldn't have stayed dark for long.

Ah... you must have missed Patti and my 'what time did the sun come up where was the moon and what was the weather like' discussion then :)

It was just before 4am when Bews, Myall and JB saw the movement or whatever it was at the window, it was still dark, and there was a half moon on the other side of the house. It was daylight by the time the raid team went in.
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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2012, 09:08:PM »
Thanks Bridget. I would have thought that by 4am during August it would have already been fairly light, but I appreciate that out there in the sticks there would be little borrowed light, the closest town of any size being Maldon.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2012, 09:13:PM »
Thanks Bridget. I would have thought that by 4am during August it would have already been fairly light, but I appreciate that out there in the sticks there would be little borrowed light, the closest town of any size being Maldon.

Sunrise would have been at about 5.30am, but yes, there's normally at least some light a while beforehand.
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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2012, 09:15:PM »
Ah... you must have missed Patti and my 'what time did the sun come up where was the moon and what was the weather like' discussion then :)

It was just before 4am when Bews, Myall and JB saw the movement or whatever it was at the window, it was still dark, and there was a half moon on the other side of the house. It was daylight by the time the raid team went in.
I remember that Bridget, the thing is, why did they wait so long. It had been daylight for ages by then .  They hung around for ages in the dark but didn't contact raid team members fo about 2 hours. I know they would have had to have clearance but 2 hours! Bythat time they had sen t Jeremy to th village to get him out of the way while they broke down the door.  But the raid team weren 't contacted til about 5.45.  It was another 2 hours before they went in.  Thelack of urgency is strange to me. Makesme wonder if they were in conversation with someone.

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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2012, 09:16:PM »
I remember that Bridget, the thing is, why did they wait so long. It had been daylight for ages by then .  They hung around for ages in the dark but didn't contact raid team members fo about 2 hours. I know they would have had to have clearance but 2 hours! Bythat time they had sen t Jeremy to th village to get him out of the way while they broke down the door.  But the raid team weren 't contacted til about 5.45.  It was another 2 hours before they went in.  Thelack of urgency is strange to me. Makesme wonder if they were in conversation with someone.

You have to allow the raid team time to get the call, get ready, leave, get to the scene, be briefed and then have them go in.

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Re: First light question by Campion
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2012, 09:20:PM »
I remember that Bridget, the thing is, why did they wait so long. It had been daylight for ages by then .  They hung around for ages in the dark but didn't contact raid team members fo about 2 hours. I know they would have had to have clearance but 2 hours! Bythat time they had sen t Jeremy to th village to get him out of the way while they broke down the door.  But the raid team weren 't contacted til about 5.45.  It was another 2 hours before they went in.  Thelack of urgency is strange to me. Makesme wonder if they were in conversation with someone.

Sorry Maggie, I'm posting from my phone and can't check times and things. Did they not get one raid team and then decide they needed more people, and wait til another few arrived? Also, it would be good to know what police procedure was for such situations at the time, that may throw some light on it ('scuse the pun)
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