No evidence Sheila was photo'd until after rifle was photograped at window (23).

[Bridget]

When were the bodies removed?

They were still there when he left WHF I think.

[mike tesko]

What he says is:

I had finished taking the photographs of the main bedroom and I had come out and I had photographed the top landing and I stood in the middle of the upper set of stairs and took that photograph up there.

If he took photo 23 after M, N would be 'landing' again. I agree with Patti, photo 23 was taken at C. Reading it again they seem to be referring to only one set of pictures of Sheila (the ones that follow 27) and so I reckon the 2nd visit to the main bedroom was probably to take pics of blood stains or cartridges in situ.

Now throw into the equation, the missing 7 or 8 negatives and photographs and treat these as the very first photographs which PC Bird took of of Sheila in the bedroom, on the bed, without the rifle on her body because it was still leaning against the bedroom window where it had been all along ever since WPC Jeapes spotted it there from before raid team went into premises. PC Bird then took photo of rifle leaning against bedroom window (23), followed by 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, which were taken after police moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor...

[Patti]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2185.0;attach=11962;image

[Bridget]

Now throw into the equation, the missing 7 or 8 negatives and photographs and treat these as the very first photographs whic PC Bird took of of Sheila in the bedroom, on the bed, without the rifle on her body because it was still leaning against the bedroom window where it had been all along ever since WPC Jeapes spotted it there from before raid team went into premises. PC Bird then took photo of rifle leaning against bedroom window (23), followed by 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32...

The picture before photo 25 on the neg strip was of the dairy. Out of interest, what is the dairy?

[Patti]

The picture before photo 25 on the neg strip was of the dairy. Out of interest, what is the dairy?

I think that was the photo that is in the archives, where the eggs were kept and mesh is over the window...I might be wrong...

[Bridget]

I think that was the photo that is in the archives, where the eggs were kept and mesh is over the window...I might be wrong...

Oh right, people seem to have multiple names for some of the rooms, I've also seen 'pantry' and 'back kitchen'.

[Patti]

Oh right, people seem to have multiple names for some of the rooms, I've also seen 'pantry' and 'back kitchen'.
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I could be wrong. Can we safely say that numbers 39 to 47 was taken on the 2nd visit? 

[Bridget]

Oh right, people seem to have multiple names for some of the rooms, I've also seen 'pantry' and 'back kitchen'.

I could be wrong. Can we safely say that numbers 39 to 47 was taken on the 2nd visit? 

We can probably safely say that's possible

[mike tesko]

Three sets of photographs were taken of Sheila in the bedroom, (first set) to which the missing 7/8 negatives of Sheila relate, (Second set) , 26 to 32, inclusive (third set), two photographs, one of her left leg and foot, and the other of her right leg and foot ( I believe)...

[Patti]

Three sets of photographs were taken of Sheila in the bedroom, (first set) to which the missing 7/8 negatives of Sheila relate, (Second set) , 26 to 32, inclusive (third set), two photographs, one of her left leg and foot, and the other of her right leg and foot ( I believe)...

Hi Mike

Blinking heck! It is recorded that some negatives and photo's are still withheld, plus some destroyed. How could anyone work all that lot out....is the order they have be given to court?

This is the first time I have heard of any photo's pertaining to her left and right leg....I know that JB has said he has never seen a photo underneath her right foot or hand....Yet, if you look closely enough you can see blood on her right thumb....

When Bird went in for the 2nd time, he takes a photo of the bed......why didn't he take that the 1st time? 

[mike tesko]

There is no chronological record of which photographs were taken in sequence (1 to 179) other than the STOKENCHURCH register schedule, which includes the 50 court album photographs incorporated within it. According to these records, photographs 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32, were taken in that order. It may well be that PC Bird took two photographs from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs, showing the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, not one. This is very interesting particularly so, because PC Bird produced a double schedule showing the 223 photographs which formed part of the so called (wrongly named) MASTER COPY ALBUM, and the 50 COURT ALBUM photographs - photograph 23 in the MASTER COPY ALBUM, was a different photographs to photographs 23 in the COURT ALBUM, but both could have been a photographs showing the same general view of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window. Because of this, you cannot be sure to which photo 23 PC Bird was referring to, in whichever system or Schedule, because it is not clear from the transcripts of his testimony?

[Bridget]

Stokenchurch is not in chronological order...

Yes Patti, there are photos of both od Sheila's legs and feet listed in Stokenchurch. There's no reason at all to think that these were not disclosed, not least because the Stokenchurch list appears to be lists of photos which were included in the various court albums, but no idea whether they show the soles of her feet.

[mike tesko]

When Bird went in for the 2nd time, he takes a photo of the bed......why didn't he take that the 1st time? 

He did photograph the bed on his first visit, and Sheila was on it -  these are the negatives which are missing (I believe), the 7/8 all in a row, or from the same negative strip?

[mike tesko]

Stokenchurch is not in chronological order...

Yes Patti, there are photos of both od Sheila's legs and feet listed in Stokenchurch. There's no reason at all to think that these were not disclosed, not least because the Stokenchurch list appears to be lists of photos which were included in the various court albums, but no idea whether they show the soles of her feet.

It is a chronological order of the first 179 photographs, which also includes the 50 COURT ALBUM photographs given to the jury...

There is no other chronological schedule because to produce such a record exposes what the police did, that is why negatives have been cut out of negative strips so that they are singular, and why so many are still missing or unaccounted for? They chopped and changed the sequence with which these photographs were or had been taken to fit in with their made up story about finding Sheila's body as photographed by PC Bird in 27 to 32? What "a load of codswallop", what about the rifle not being on Sheila's body when PS Adams viewed Sheila in the bedroom at about 9am? What about the rifle still not being on Sheila's body when the coroners officer PC Wright viewed Sheila' body in the bedroom? How did the rifle get back on the body (it was never on in the first place) in time for PC Bird to photograph it there as per 27, to 32? Who put the gun back on Sheila's body in time for Cook and Bird to see it there, and for Bird to photograph it there (27, to 32) after 23?

Police moved rifle onto the body and off the body, and are tying themselves in knots trying to come up with some sort of an explanation to get away with stage managing Sheila's body with the rifle from the bedroom window?

Forget the order which PC Bird took photographs 23, and 27 to 32, for the moment - ask yourselves how the rifle that was seen at the bedroom window by WPC Julia Jeapes some 15 minutes or so before the raid team enter the premises, end up on top of Sheila's body, in keeping with the raid team version of events about supposedly finding Sheila's body in the bedroom, on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, and its barrel pointing in the direction of her chin, which had two wounds upon it? How did the rifle jump onto Sheila's body from the bedroom window in such a short period of time? Who moved it onto her body? How did it get there? A ghost didn't put it there?

[mike tesko]

It is a chronological order of the first 179 photographs, which also includes the 50 COURT ALBUM photographs given to the jury...

There is no other chronological schedule because to produce such a record exposes what the police did, that is why negatives have been cut out of negative strips so that they are singular, and why so many are still missing or unaccounted for? They chopped and changed the sequence with which these photographs were or had been taken to fit in with their made up story about finding Sheila's body as photographed by PC Bird in 27 to 32? What "a load of codswallop", what about the rifle not being on Sheila's body when PS Adams viewed Sheila in the bedroom at about 9am? What about the rifle still not being on Sheila's body when the coroners officer PC Wright viewed Sheila' body in the bedroom? How did the rifle get back on the body (it was never on in the first place) in time for PC Bird to photograph it there as per 27, to 32? Who put the gun back on Sheila's body in time for Cook and Bird to see it there, and for Bird to photograph it there (27, to 32) after 23?

Police moved rifle onto the body and off the body, and are tying themselves in knots trying to come up with some sort of an explanation to get away with stage managing Sheila's body with the rifle from the bedroom window?

Forget the order which PC Bird took photographs 23, and 27 to 32, for the moment - ask yourselves how the rifle that was seen at the bedroom window by WPC Julia Jeapes some 15 minutes or so before the raid team enter the premises, end up on top of Sheila's body, in keeping with the raid team version of events about supposedly finding Sheila's body in the bedroom, on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, and its barrel pointing in the direction of her chin, which had two wounds upon it? How did the rifle jump onto Sheila's body from the bedroom window in such a short period of time? Who moved it onto her body? How did it get there? A ghost didn't put it there?

Oh, hang on a minute, it must have been Jeremy...