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When I was a young man I used to visit an old man just to keep him company. He didn't have much and his daughter and other relations never ever visited him.
But when he died they were round his house like a shot. Cleared out everything and were never seen again.
When people die I have often seen this avarice within mankind surface like a monster. It is the ugly side of human nature and affects most of us.

How right you are,Grahame.I've had a taste of that in the past. Similar situation to this one.Say no more.!

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So, to get this straight, after 'barking like a dog' for a couple of hours, she shot herself in the kitchen, collapsed, then woke up, picked up the rifle, evaded the police, entered the bedroom, placed the gun down, and was then shot through the neck a 2nd time by the police? On the bed? And you have a photo of her in the interim time between shots, on the bed, which to your knowledge has never been seen by McKay, but is on an 'enigma' system, which you've not tried to access throughout the 10 years or so you've had it?

Well, whilst your talking in such terms, to get this straight, the rifle is spotted at the bedroom window by WPC Jeapes, before the raid team set foot inside the farmhouse, yet by the time it takes the raid team to kick the door in, and get upstairs, the rifle has lept all by itself from the window onto Sheila's body? Then by the time PS Adams gets to see Sheila's body in the bedroom, the rifle has lept back off the body, as also confirmed by Coroners officdr PC Wright, but then the rifle has lept back onto the body in time for DI Cook to remove it again and (wait for it) place the rifle back at the bedroom window in time for PC Bird to take photograph 23 showing the rifle leaning against the same bedroom window that WPC Jeapes reported it to be resting earlier, then along comes PC Bird to photograph the rifle on the body when it was already resting at the bedroom window, without anyone seeing anybody pick up the rifle once from its original position at the bedroom window to return it back onto the body. For some reason, nobody wants to have to admit putting the rifle at the window onto Sheila's body, not once; not twice, not three times?

If nobody moved or touched anything, how did rifle get back and forth from window to body, to window to body, from window to body?

Oh, I get it, we can just put the blame on Jeremy...
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Well, whilst your talking in such terms, to get this straight, the rifle is spotted at the bedroom window by WPC Jeapes, before the raid team set foot inside the farmhouse, yet by the time it takes the raid team to kick the door in, and get upstairs, the rifle has lept all by itself from the window onto Sheila's body? Then by the time PS Adams gets to see Sheila's body in the bedroom, the rifle has lept back off the body, as also confirmed by Coroners officdr PC Wright, but then the rifle has lept back onto the body in time for DI Cook to remove it again and (wait for it) place the rifle back at the bedroom window in time for PC Bird to take photograph 23 showing the rifle leaning against the same bedroom window that WPC Jeapes reported it to be resting earlier, then along comes PC Bird to photograph the rifle on the body when it was already resting at the bedroom window, without anyone seeing anybody pick up the rifle once from its original position at the bedroom window to return it back onto the body. For some reason, nobody wants to have to admit putting the rifle at the window onto Sheila's body, not once; not twice, not three times?

If nobody moved or touched anything, how did rifle get back and forth from window to body, to window to body, from window to body?

Oh, I get it, we can just put the blame on Jeremy...
I was just looking at the link that Patti posted where Bird was questioned about the gun.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2185.0;attach=11962;image

Q: Were you present - if that be the gun that was on Sheila's body - were you present when that was removed?
A: No.

Well if that be so then how did he take a picture of the gun as it rested next to the window? He must have been present even though he emphasised that Cook "carefully" moved Sheila's hand presumably so as not to disturb the gun?

Now this poses 2 questions. (1) Did Cook move the gun off Sheila's body? (2) Were there two guns?
Also it disproves one posters statement that the first thing the raid team would have done was to make the gun safe by removing it. If one denies that, then this must verify Mikes theory that Sheila was shot by mistake as the gun was removed from Sheila's body?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 05:42:PM by grahame »

Offline grahameb

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I was just looking at the link that Patti posted where Bird was questioned about the gun.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2185.0;attach=11962;image

Q: Were you present - if that be the gun that was on Sheila's body - were you present when that was removed?
A: No.

Well if that be so then how did he take a picture of the gun as it rested next to the window? He must have been present even though he emphasised that Cook "carefully" moved Sheila's hand presumably so as not to disturb the gun?

Now this poses 2 questions. (1) Did Cook move the gun off Sheila's body? (2) Were there two guns?
Also it disproves one posters statement that the first thing the raid team would have done was to make the gun safe by removing it. If one denies that, then this must verify Mikes theory that Sheila was shot by mistake as the gun was removed from Sheila's body?
Just a wild throw away though. Probably completely untrue? But......If the police shot Sheila by accident as they removed the gun, Would it have been they who removed the silencer and put it into the gun cupboard? But as I said it is just a foolish throw away thought. For to what purpose would it serve?

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I am engaging Enigma to get access to the negative information in / on the system - I may post intelligence Gathered either later on today, or sometime tomorrow...
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« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 08:50:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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There you have it in Jeremy's own words (courtesy of Enigma)...

"First photographs of Sheila in the bedroom, were taken after 23, showing the rifle at the bedroom window, not beforehand"...
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 08:56:PM by mike tesko »
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Why did police lie about when first photographs of Sheila in the bedroom with the rifle upon her body, were taken, by claiming that theses were taken before PC Bird took photograph 23 (rifle leaning up against bedroom window), not afterwards?
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Why did police lie about when first photographs of Sheila in the bedroom with the rifle upon her body, were taken, by claiming that theses were taken before PC Bird took photograph 23 (rifle leaning up against bedroom window), not afterwards?

Hi Mike

Blimey, I need a degree to understand that... :-[ :-[

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I am engaging Enigma to get access to the negative information in / on the system - I may post intelligence Gathered either later on today, or sometime tomorrow...

Just a reminder Mike, that you need to find that picture of Sheila on the bed so that you can get Jeremy released. Just a thought, instead of posting all this other stuff, you might want to actually get him out!
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Mike, what is Enigma? You posted a picture of a hard drive a while back, is it the same thing?
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Offline mike tesko

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Mike, what is Enigma? You posted a picture of a hard drive a while back, is it the same thing?

No..
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Offline mike tesko

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Meeting with "Z" this morning at Ware, Herts'...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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The missing 7/8 negatives (in sequence) cover the first session when PC Bird took photographs of Sheila in the bedroom - These were not the ones 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 (which are not missing).  Somebody is responsible, for editing the photographic negative records, cut a corresponding section of negatives out which relate to Sheila on the bed without the rifle on her body, and only one entry wound on her throat, and which were taken before 23, and substitute these with a corresponding section of photographs also taken of Sheila (after 23) with the rifle now on the body, fresh looking blood, and two wounds now upon her throat. This ploy and tactic was used to try and decieve people into thinking and accepting that photo's 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were taken before 32. Since it is now possible to reconstruct what actually took place, it becomes clear that Sheila recieved the second entry wound beneath the chin whilst police moved the rifle from the bedroom window (23) onto Sheila's body. If this deception had been known about at the time of Jeremy's trial it would have had very serious consequences upon the prosecutions case - it becomes clear that police stage managed Sheila's body, not jeremy...
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Just collected something of interest and value from "Z"...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...