Jeremy's Alibi...

[lookout]

Steve,,was there any mention in your book that blood was thicker than water.?

And I'm not talking about Sheila nor Jeremy here,because neither were " blood relatives ",,but there were enough who were.!

[Caroline R]

I've checked this and there is some ambiguity so I will concede that Jeremy may have made the call to Julie after his telephone call to the Police,although this is by no means certain. What I do stand by is that Jeremy pressed onto the Police how urgent this matter was,yet by his own admission wasted-and there is no other word for it-several minutes of time between the alleged telephone call from his father and the time he got round to calling the Police by flicking through the Chelmsford Yellow Pages for the Chelmsford Police Station number instead of immediately telephoning 999.

Whilst we're on the subject there is another inconsistency regarding Jeremy and telephones. He stated on oath in court that he had not tried to telephone Witham Police Station before dialling the Chelmsford number,whereas this is contradicted by two Police Officers who said he had told them he had. Sergeant Bews also testified that when he encountered Jeremy at the farm Jeremy repeated the remark about Ralph(Nevill) sounding "terrified" on the telephone,yet again this is denied by Jeremy,wishing to play down his initial sense of urgency when he realized that not telephoning 999 initially might be used against him. Again in Jeremy's talk with Colin at Goldhanger Colin was left with the impression that Nevill might have been already wounded,and that there was an urgency about the situation.

I suggest to you that the whole of Jeremy's statement was bluster,and in fact,a pack of lies.

I don't understand your point, if you don't believe he received a call from Neville, why are you talking about him 'wasting time'? Presumably (in your opinion), all at the house had been killed so what time was being wasted? It could ONLY be considered as wasting time if he DID receive a call from his father i.e. his father calls sounding 'terrified' and he looks up the station number – which would mean he wasn’t guilty! Now, which is it? If he made up the call from his father, why would he make himself look as though he were time wasting? This part of the guilty argument (for me) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[Bridget]

I don't understand your point, if you don't believe he received a call from Neville, why are you talking about him 'wasting time'? Presumably (in your opinion), all at the house had been killed so what time was being wasted? It could ONLY be considered as wasting time if he DID receive a call from his father i.e. his father calls sounding 'terrified' and he looks up the station number – which would mean he wasn’t guilty! Now, which is it? If he made up the call from his father, why would he make himself look as though he were time wasting? This part of the guilty argument (for me) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

Unless JB himself made a call from WHF to Goldhanger and didn't know it couldn't be traced? Is that what Steve's suggesting? I get lost with the phone calls..

[Caroline R]

Unless JB himself made a call from WHF to Goldhanger and didn't know it couldn't be traced? Is that what Steve's suggesting? I get lost with the phone calls..

He didn't say that Bridget

[Bridget]

He didn't say that Bridget

Didn't he? Maybe he just didn't get around to saying it yet

[Caroline R]

Didn't he? Maybe he just didn't get around to saying it yet

That 'really' made me laugh Bridget and I have a feeling you might be right 

[Steve_uk]

I don't understand your point, if you don't believe he received a call from Neville, why are you talking about him 'wasting time'? Presumably (in your opinion), all at the house had been killed so what time was being wasted? It could ONLY be considered as wasting time if he DID receive a call from his father i.e. his father calls sounding 'terrified' and he looks up the station number – which would mean he wasn’t guilty! Now, which is it? If he made up the call from his father, why would he make himself look as though he were time wasting? This part of the guilty argument (for me) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

Since it seems I am outnumbered by the Jeremy supporters and am frequently castigated for my Mills and Boon mentality I was attempting to put myself in the shoes of those who believe Jeremy to be innocent and therefore a man who has spent 27 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. I was going along with Jeremy's story ridiculous as it still sounds to me,and in this scenario of course the minutes wasted flicking through the telephone book or the Yellow Pages were a complete distraction and waste of time as all Jeremy needed to do to summon help was to dial 999.

Of course the above scenario is a farce,because if Sheila has gone crazy with a gun,or words to that effect an ex RAF man like Ralph(Nevill)Bamber is not going to waste time dialling a 7 figure number to Jeremy(and how do we know that he knew that number off by heart?) when the surest way of summoning assistance is to dial 999 himself. Nevill may have been a bit of a control freak,all the more reason why he would telephone the Police,some of whom he must have known personally being the local magistrate. All evidence points to there being no telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy,there are Nevill's bloodied finger marks on the kitchen worktop as if he attempted to reach the telephone,but no blood on the telephone itself. All the indications are that this telephone call was just a pretext to bring the Police to the farm and to provide Jeremy with an alibi,and most of Jeremy's behaviour and utterances from that point were a complete act and a tissue of lies.

[Caroline R]

Since it seems I am outnumbered by the Jeremy supporters and am frequently castigated for my Mills and Boon mentality I was attempting to put myself in the shoes of those who believe Jeremy to be innocent and therefore a man who has spent 27 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. I was going along with Jeremy's story ridiculous as it still sounds to me,and in this scenario of course the minutes wasted flicking through the telephone book or the Yellow Pages were a complete distraction and waste of time as all Jeremy needed to do to summon help was to dial 999.

Of course the above scenario is a farce,because if Sheila has gone crazy with a gun,or words to that effect an ex RAF man like Ralph(Nevill)Bamber is not going to waste time dialling a 7 figure number to Jeremy(and how do we know that he knew that number off by heart?) when the surest way of summoning assistance is to dial 999 himself. Nevill may have been a bit of a control freak,all the more reason why he would telephone the Police,some of whom he must have known personally being the local magistrate. All evidence points to there being no telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy,there are Nevill's bloodied finger marks on the kitchen worktop as if he attempted to reach the telephone,but no blood on the telephone itself. All the indications are that this telephone call was just a pretext to bring the Police to the farm and to provide Jeremy with an alibi,and most of Jeremy's behaviour and utterances from that point were a complete act and a tissue of lies.

Of course he would know the number, Jeremy was his son and he worked for his father! Also, Neville was shot in the left shoulder and elbow, consistent with the finger prints on the counter top. However, he still had his right hand and no one knows whether this hand would be covered in blood at the time the phone was used or if he had even been shot at that point!

[boheme]

Of course he would know the number, Jeremy was his son and he worked for his father! Also, Neville was shot in the left shoulder and elbow, consistent with the finger prints on the counter top. However, he still had his right hand and no one knows whether this hand would be covered in blood at the time the phone was used or if he had even been shot at that point!

If he had been shot he would have asked for an ambulance...

[mike tesko]

Since it seems I am outnumbered by the Jeremy supporters and am frequently castigated for my Mills and Boon mentality I was attempting to put myself in the shoes of those who believe Jeremy to be innocent and therefore a man who has spent 27 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. I was going along with Jeremy's story ridiculous as it still sounds to me,and in this scenario of course the minutes wasted flicking through the telephone book or the Yellow Pages were a complete distraction and waste of time as all Jeremy needed to do to summon help was to dial 999.

Of course the above scenario is a farce,because if Sheila has gone crazy with a gun,or words to that effect an ex RAF man like Ralph(Nevill)Bamber is not going to waste time dialling a 7 figure number to Jeremy(and how do we know that he knew that number off by heart?) when the surest way of summoning assistance is to dial 999 himself. Nevill may have been a bit of a control freak,all the more reason why he would telephone the Police,some of whom he must have known personally being the local magistrate. All evidence points to there being no telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy,there are Nevill's bloodied finger marks on the kitchen worktop as if he attempted to reach the telephone,but no blood on the telephone itself. All the indications are that this telephone call was just a pretext to bring the Police to the farm and to provide Jeremy with an alibi,and most of Jeremy's behaviour and utterances from that point were a complete act and a tissue of lies.

How did the rifle get from an upstairs window onto the body after 7:15am, concentrate on that if you are interested in finding out the truth...

It's easy to work it out, there were only two rifles in use and kept at whf at the time of the shootings, (1) the family owned Anshulz rifle, and a BSA .22 air rifle, now which of these two rifles was the rifle seen to be resting against the upstairs window by WPC Jeapes, was it (1) or (2)?

[Caroline R]

If he had been shot he would have asked for an ambulance...

No one knows IF at that point  he had been shot!