A third version of events of 7th August 1985

[Bridget]

No Bridget....it may be that is has no significance and it already been addressed. 

Well you'd think they'd say why 

[Patti]

Well you'd think they'd say why 

Well maybe they think I am a crack pot from Sheffield....lol

Patience my dear Bridget....patience....lol 

[Steve_uk]

I have dismissed an outsider being responsible because it is the ubiquitous Jeremy who informs us that Ralph(Nevill) tells us that "Sheila has gone berserk with a gun",therefore limiting in his scenario the suspects to two. This was always a weakness in Jeremy's testimony as he wanted to set himself up with the Police as his alibi. I have deliberated the events of that morning,not what happened in September,and it's quite evident to me that Jeremy entered the property through one of the downstairs windows and exited through another,as he had told Julie he knew how and as he did subsequently to the murders when he thought it had all died down. I also believe that there was no telephone call at all from Ralph(Nevill);there would have to be a contrived scenario for it to have happened,irrespective of the Police at Witham and at Chelmsford Police stations denying they ever spoke to Nevill personally.

[mertol22]

I thought i would say if you look at my maiden post nowhere does it say for certain a third person carried out these crimes but its possible, i understand pages Lane is not totally private there are some fishing ponds further down,there are also public bridalways around there why do people think with certainty jeremy rode back home along the sea wall.

[Patti]

I have dismissed an outsider being responsible because it is the ubiquitous Jeremy who informs us that Ralph(Nevill) tells us that "Sheila has gone berserk with a gun",therefore limiting in his scenario the suspects to two. This was always a weakness in Jeremy's testimony as he wanted to set himself up with the Police as his alibi. I have deliberated the events of that morning,not what happened in September,and it's quite evident to me that Jeremy entered the property through one of the downstairs windows and exited through another,as he had told Julie he knew how and as he did subsequently to the murders when he thought it had all died down. I also believe that there was no telephone call at all from Ralph(Nevill);there would have to be a contrived scenario for it to have happened,irrespective of the Police at Witham and at Chelmsford Police stations denying they ever spoke to Nevill personally.

Steve have you got me on ignore, or am I too good for you...lol 

[Roch]

I have dismissed an outsider being responsible because it is the ubiquitous Jeremy who informs us that Ralph(Nevill) tells us that "Sheila has gone berserk with a gun",therefore limiting in his scenario the suspects to two. This was always a weakness in Jeremy's testimony as he wanted to set himself up with the Police as his alibi. I have deliberated the events of that morning,not what happened in September,and it's quite evident to me that Jeremy entered the property through one of the downstairs windows and exited through another,as he had told Julie he knew how and as he did subsequently to the murders when he thought it had all died down. I also believe that there was no telephone call at all from Ralph(Nevill);there would have to be a contrived scenario for it to have happened,irrespective of the Police at Witham and at Chelmsford Police stations denying they ever spoke to Nevill personally.

In your scenario, does Jeremy also say "tonight's the night" before later tucking in to hearty full English?

[Patti]

I thought i would say if you look at my maiden post nowhere does it say for certain a third person carried out these crimes but its possible, i understand pages Lane is not totally private there are some fishing ponds further down,there are also public bridalways around there why do people think with certainty jeremy rode back home along the sea wall.

because folk can be brainwashed into thinking what they read, rather than going with logic, evidence and facts....

There is not one piece of evidence that JB rode a bike that night, this was invented and invited into the court room in 1986...

 

[Steve_uk]

I thought i would say if you look at my maiden post nowhere does it say for certain a third person carried out these crimes but its possible, i understand pages Lane is not totally private there are some fishing ponds further down,there are also public bridalways around there why do people think with certainty jeremy rode back home along the sea wall.

Mertol whether you believe Jeremy received a call from his father or not the point was the suspects were limited to two by that telephone call. Any other scenario is getting remarkably contrived,as indeed the Jeremy supporters have found over the past twenty seven years:for example one has heard it might not have been "Sheila has gone berserk with the gun" but "She has gone berserk with the gun" suggesting that somehow June was an Annie Oakley aspirant with Ralph playing the part of General Custer. I can understand why all these theories have been explored but Jeremy was condemned through his own mouth,whilst June was shot first in bed. The prosecution outlined its version of events at the trial and every subsequent plaint by whatever means at that verdict has been unsuccessful.

[maggie]

I thought i would say if you look at my maiden post nowhere does it say for certain a third person carried out these crimes but its possible, i understand pages Lane is not totally private there are some fishing ponds further down,there are also public bridalways around there why do people think with certainty jeremy rode back home along the sea wall.

D'you think he was on horseback Mertol??? :D :D

[Steve_uk]

because folk can be brainwashed into thinking what they read, rather than going with logic, evidence and facts....

There is not one piece of evidence that JB rode a bike that night, this was invented and invited into the court room in 1986...

 

We have the excuse in the first place for there to be a bicycle at the Goldhanger cottage that Julie Mugford wanted to ride the bicycle to the station,though I'm not sure if anyone saw her on it,we have assertions from Ann Eaton that Jeremy was riding that bicycle prior to the murders when he was teasing her riding round in circles with it,and we have Jeremy's lack of an alibi,when the bicycle journey took ten minutes. Nobody would see Jeremy in dark clothing in the early hours of the morning,and he had enough time whilst he was allegedly flicking through the Yellow Pages to shower,change and wipe the bicycle down.

[Moe Cassani]

because folk can be brainwashed into thinking what they read, rather than going with logic, evidence and facts....

There is not one piece of evidence that JB rode a bike that night, this was invented and invited into the court room in 1986...

 

Patti,
The police suspected Bamber and in doing so they had to reason how he got to and from the farm house. It dawned on Stan Jones when he saw a cycle parked at the back of his house, that on questioning had only appeared just a few weeks before the killings. So do you think it was unreasonable of the police to suspect this in a major murder case? I certainly dont.

[Patti]

Mertol whether you believe Jeremy received a call from his father or not the point was the suspects were limited to two by that telephone call. Any other scenario is getting remarkably contrived,as indeed the Jeremy supporters have found over the past twenty seven years:for example one has heard it might not have been "Sheila has gone berserk with the gun" but "She has gone berserk with the gun" suggesting that somehow June was an Annie Oakley aspirant with Ralph playing the part of General Custer. I can understand why all these theories have been explored but Jeremy was condemned through his own mouth,whilst June was shot first in bed. The prosecution outlined its version of events at the trial and every subsequent plaint by whatever means at that verdict has been unsuccessful.

Steve..She and Sheila is documented it is nothing that anyone had heard.... You are purposely ignoring me....why? Is it cos you love me...lol 

[Steve_uk]

Steve..She and Sheila is documented it is nothing that anyone had heard.... You are purposely ignoring me....why? Is it cos you love me...lol 

Of course it's for the Prosecution to prove guilt,not the other way round-as Jeremy haughtily declared in the witness box:"That is what you have to establish"..and indeed that is what they did establish much to Jeremy's chagrin. I think myself Jeremy had already regretted the murders by the time he arrived back in Dover from the south of France and was arrested:he went so meekly. But fear of public opinion and what his fellow inmates might say have led him into this charade of pretence of innocence,when were he not resolved on such a course there is a possibility that he might now be considered by the authorities for release.

[mertol22]

D'you think he was on horseback Mertol??? :D :D

Like the Flashing Blade? remember that maggie? its better to have fought and lost than never fought at all...

[mertol22]

Mertol whether you believe Jeremy received a call from his father or not the point was the suspects were limited to two by that telephone call. Any other scenario is getting remarkably contrived,as indeed the Jeremy supporters have found over the past twenty seven years:for example one has heard it might not have been "Sheila has gone berserk with the gun" but "She has gone berserk with the gun" suggesting that somehow June was an Annie Oakley aspirant with Ralph playing the part of General Custer. I can understand why all these theories have been explored but Jeremy was condemned through his own mouth,whilst June was shot first in bed. The prosecution outlined its version of events at the trial and every subsequent plaint by whatever means at that verdict has been unsuccessful.

The term beserk needs to be clarified it could mean anything.