Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[lookout]

steve  I think if anyone had mental problems it was Julie.  To identify the little twins and show no emotion only ask questions which I will not post up then saying she needed a ciggy. To share a bed with Jeremy  a normal person would have the images of the little twins all the time.  That is not normal behaviour I know you said love is blind but come on now steve not that blind.  Also if she knew he was going to commit the murders she could have stopped it.  Did she not wonder if she was going to be next. My impression of Julie is a cold calculating young woman who would have easily lead Jeremy astray and she had her eyes on the £'s sign.

So right,,Susan. You can't beat an abundance of lifes' experiences.
I was a nurse,,,but I can tell you that each time a baby/child passed away,it cut me up,,,so for JM to have VOLUNTARILY gone into a morgue just beggars belief.
BTW,,her writing/spelling skills left a lot to be desired considering her present post.! Just thought I'd mention it,,though she wasn't too interested in that aspect,,only what you mentioned in your last paragraph.  What were her nicest attributes anyway.? Answer on a postage stamp.

[Moe Cassani]

So right,,Susan. You can't beat an abundance of lifes' experiences.
I was a nurse,,,but I can tell you that each time a baby/child passed away,it cut me up,,,so for JM to have VOLUNTARILY gone into a morgue just beggars belief.
BTW,,her writing/spelling skills left a lot to be desired considering her present post.! Just thought I'd mention it,,though she wasn't too interested in that aspect,,only what you mentioned in your last paragraph.  What were her nicest attributes anyway.? Answer on a postage stamp.

Lookout it is slightly odd you are right, and I cannot in honestly work out why she did that. All I can say is that she wanted to know whether it was real of not. It's a psychological thing, but I will be honest and say to malign someone you dont know like that is quite odd as well. You have highlighted her lack of spelling skills and lack of pleasant attributes. Let me tell you now that EXACTLY the same can be said of Jeremy Bamber and you know it.

[mike tesko]

You win, I am your prisoner, at your mercy...

Give me a few moments to configure how to post the relevant transcript:-

Lets get order that PC Bird took pictures upstairs, so we can be certain and clear:-

He took following photographs, in following order, as per schedule for  "COURT ALBUM (223)":-

25 -  photograph of June Bamber
34 -  showing June Bamber and Sheila Caffell in the main bedroom
35 -  showing cartridge cases besides body of SC
31 -  position of rifle in Sheila Caffells body
33 -  showing cartridge case beside body
27 -  showing Sheila Caffell showing position of rifle and bible
37 - Close up view of June Bamber
42 - view showing bedspread and cartridge case beside bed
22 - showing cartridge case on middle landing of main stairs
26 -  view showing bodies of June and Sheila
32 -  showing position of rifle on Sheila's body
29  - showing position of rifle in body of Sheila CFaffell
and
37 - close up view of June Bamber...

[lookout]

Lookout it is slightly odd you are right, and I cannot in honestly work out why she did that. All I can say is that she wanted to know whether it was real of not. It's a psychological thing, but I will be honest and say to malign someone you dont know like that is quite odd as well. You have highlighted her lack of spelling skills and lack of pleasant attributes. Let me tell you now that EXACTLY the same can be said of Jeremy Bamber and you know it.

Jeremy had some brilliant character references.Don't remember the same coming forthwith from those who knew JM,,least of all poor June ( who had called her a harlot,to her face )
I don't need to know anybody whose photograph shows a cold-hearted person. That,to me,speaks volumes.
Jeremy was the loving son that Barbara Wilson described him as. The son that she,herself ,would gladly have exchanged for her own. You'll find her statement somewhere.

[Bridget]

Where's the next page Mike? He hasn't got to 23 yet (unless I'm not paying attention).

[Steve_uk]

steve  I think if anyone had mental problems it was Julie.  To identify the little twins and show no emotion only ask questions which I will not post up then saying she needed a ciggy. To share a bed with Jeremy  a normal person would have the images of the little twins all the time.  That is not normal behaviour I know you said love is blind but come on now steve not that blind.  Also if she knew he was going to commit the murders she could have stopped it.  Did she not wonder if she was going to be next. My impression of Julie is a cold calculating young woman who would have easily lead Jeremy astray and she had her eyes on the £'s sign.

Unfortunately for the Jeremy supporters it was not Julie Mugford who was on trial for the murders-it was Jeremy. The more I read Julie's statement it becomes evident to me that Jeremy needed Julie at Goldhanger as a pretext to having the bicycle there,the bicycle that Jeremy was perfectly capable of riding as evidenced by Ann Eaton.Jeremy felt no remorse for the murders,he was drifting away from Julie as possibly she thought in terms of a more permanent relationship,yet Jeremy found himself in an ambivalent position. Although Julie was necessary for his plan he had realized even before the murders that they had no future together,hence his awkward stance about her person when they were in his parents' company,and his excuse that he would not marry her in the Winter of 1984 because the idea had emanated from his mother. What the Jeremy supporters cannot deny are the three telephone calls which he made to Julie over a period of several hours from the Tuesday evening until the Wednesday morning of the murders,suggesting that Julie was still an integral part of his plan,if not an accessory herself. Of course the Jeremy supporters cannot plug this line as it leads them down a blind alley,a blind alley at the extremity of which lies Jeremy's guilt. It simply will not do to castigate Sheila for her mental illness and use her as a scapegoat for Jeremy's wicked scheme, into which he believed he had roped Julie so tightly that she would be terrorized into conformity.

Remember the arm-twisting at the Maida Vale flat? This was Jeremy the control freak,Jeremy from whom this shocking scheme had all along its derivation,and which would have succeeded but for the fortitude of Julie,who sacrificed her love to foil this abominable machination which he almost accomplished in front of an unsuspecting public.

[mike tesko]

Unfortunately for the Jeremy supporters it was not Julie Mugford who was on trial for the murders-it was Jeremy. The more I read Julie's statement it becomes evident to me that Jeremy needed Julie at Goldhanger as a pretext to having the bicycle there,the bicycle that Jeremy was perfectly capable of riding as evidenced by Ann Eaton.Jeremy felt no remorse for the murders,he was drifting away from Julie as possibly she thought in terms of a more permanent relationship,yet Jeremy found himself in an ambivalent position. Although Julie was necessary for his plan he had realized even before the murders that they had no future together,hence his awkward stance about her person when they were in his parents' company,and his excuse that he would not marry her in the Winter of 1984 because the idea had emanated from his mother. What the Jeremy supporters cannot deny are the three telephone calls which he made to Julie over a period of several hours from the Tuesday evening until the Wednesday morning of the murders,suggesting that Julie was still an integral part of his plan,if not an accessory herself. Of course the Jeremy supporters cannot plug this line as it leads them down a blind alley,a blind alley at the extremity of which lies Jeremy's guilt. It simply will not do to castigate Sheila for her mental illness and use her as a scapegoat for Jeremy's wicked scheme, into which he believed he had roped Julie so tightly that she would be terrorized into conformity.

Remember the arm-twisting at the Maida Vale flat? This was Jeremy the control freak,Jeremy from whom this shocking scheme had all along its derivation,and which would have succeeded but for the fortitude of Julie,who sacrificed her love to foil this abominable machination which he almost accomplished in front of an unsuspecting public.

What a fertile imagination...

[mike tesko]

Where's the next page Mike? He hasn't got to 23 yet (unless I'm not paying attention).

It's coming, it's coming:-

[mike tesko]

It's coming, it's coming:-

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy had some brilliant character references.Don't remember the same coming forthwith from those who knew JM,,least of all poor June ( who had called her a harlot,to her face )
I don't need to know anybody whose photograph shows a cold-hearted person. That,to me,speaks volumes.
Jeremy was the loving son that Barbara Wilson described him as. The son that she,herself ,would gladly have exchanged for her own. You'll find her statement somewhere.

Yes,and you will also find her statement regarding Ralph's(Nevill's) anxiety about a possible shooting accident which might befall him in the near future. Had his RAF training made him sense danger lurking when Jeremy was nearby? Had he been suspicious of Jeremy's recent Damascene conversion to the farming industry,behaviour also noted by Ann Eaton? Had Nevill looked Jeremy in the eye and been shocked at the nature of what he saw? He was sufficiently concerned to voice these fears to Barbara,as well as adding that "I must never turn my back on that young man" thus ruling Sheila completely out of the equation,as if that were somehow necessary anyway with a London model more concerned about breaking a nail whilst washing the pots rather than ever contemplating the messy business of loading a cartridge case,the cartridge case full of ammunition which Jeremy had emptied out onto the kitchen counter not a few hours previously,along with the .22 anschutz rifle which he had just happened to leave on the settle in the kitchen.

[susan]

Hi steve and remember the pillow she put over his face when she tried to smother him saying "if I can't have him nobody can" Julie was not terrorised by Jeremy or anybody else.  She was quite able to commit fraud without Jeremy twisting her arm up her back.  Do you honestly think had Jeremy planned these murders he would have confided in her then dumped her think about it.  Jeremy was not a brainless person I don't think for one moment he was the cunning evil person some try to portray.  Answer my earlier question after identifying two little 6 year old boys at the morgue then sharing Jeremy's bed for a further 4 weeks is this normal behaviour from a woman's point of view not normal at all maybe males are different.  Every moment of looking at Jeremy she would have seen the two little boys and their little innocent faces and she should have if normal felt physically sick and would have been revolted by his touch.

[Bridget]

It's coming, it's coming:-

Does he ever get to 23?

[mike tesko]

Does he ever get to 23?

Eventually, yes - he is a conniving individual, caught up in the conspiracy surrounding the stage managing of Sheila Caffells body...

[Jane]

So right,,Susan. You can't beat an abundance of lifes' experiences.
I was a nurse,,,but I can tell you that each time a baby/child passed away,it cut me up,,,so for JM to have VOLUNTARILY gone into a morgue just beggars belief.
BTW,,her writing/spelling skills left a lot to be desired considering her present post.! Just thought I'd mention it,,though she wasn't too interested in that aspect,,only what you mentioned in your last paragraph.  What were her nicest attributes anyway.? Answer on a postage stamp.

It may just be worth here, drawing to peoples attention/jogging memories, that had she been proscecuted for the "trivial" crimes of passing fraudulent cheques, robbery of a caravan park and drug, she most certainly would not have been able to carry on with her intention of becoming a teacher because having a criminal record would have precluded it, however, lack of trial doesn't eradicate the crime she committed. Also, it is doubtful that she would have been allowed a work permit, let alone residency in Canada with a criminal record. It seems to me that she may have had so much to lose, that metaphorically, it came down to a life for a life.

[Bridget]

Eventually, yes - he is a conniving individual, caught up in the conspiracy surrounding the stage managing of Sheila Caffells body...

So..he says 23 was the 3rd photo taken after leaving the main bedroom. Why don't you think that's true?