Silencer Dates?

[Kaldin]

What does DRB stand for? Come to that, what does DRH stand for as well?

All such letter combinations are the initials of someone. For example SBJ corresponds to S B Jones, DRH corresponds to D R Hammersley, and DRB corresponds to David Robert Boutflour. The appended number is supposed to reflect the order in which items of evidence are obtained.

Thank you Reader. That will help me make more sense of the references. Cheers. 

[mike tesko]

Look up what Exhibit SBJ/1 was, or could have been (DS Stan Brian Jones), and take into account the fact that on 7th August 1985, he took possession of four exhibits from the scene, including SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...

SBJ/1, had to be a silencer which DS Jones recovered from the scene, on 7th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Look up what Exhibit DB/1 was, or could have been (PC David Bird)), and take into account the fact that he took possession of several exhibits from the scene, including DB/2, DB/3, DB/4, DB/5, DB/6, DB/7,  DB/8 and DB/9...

Was DB/1 a silencer which came into the possession of PC David Bird, who took pictures of it, before it was submitted to the lab' ion 30th August 1985?

[mike tesko]

Look up what Exhibit DRB/1 was, or could have been (David Robert Boutflour), and take into account the fact that he took possession of several exhibits from the scene on 11th September 1985, which had originally been given exhibit references associated with his sister Ann Eaton, under the identifying mark of CAE/1, CAE/2, CAE/3 and CAE/4...

[horseydave]

Mike - I see youre cloudy brain is at it again !!!

Mike lets pretend you own a rifle - how many silencers would you own ?

There was ONE rifle, and ONE silencer.

MIke, the person who commited this crime, broke into the house, and was disturbed by Mr Bamber. A fight/struggle took place and eventually Mr bamber was shot dead.
The killer then went upstairs, shot Mrs bamber in her bed, then at the rear bedroom he shot the twins, and lastly the daughter.
He then left the gun on her body, arranged the bible at appropiate chapter, and left.

There was no blood of any significance on or in the silencer, because it was not used.

Mr bamber was shot dead first, there is no other way. The killer could not of killed everyone else first as Mr Bamber would of had time to get any one of his 12 bores, .410 or any other weapon and fight back, as it was he fought with the only thing he had, himself.

If you brush away all the chaff and what if's, what abouts, and perhaps you are left with a simple answer - either jeremy bamber killed his family, or someone else did outside the family. That is what the courts have always concidered, and whilst there is no 3rd person in the frame, they are left with only one answer.

"Courting" the press is not always a good idea - "Doth he complain too loud" - Had JB pled guilty he would of been out now, possibly after 2/3rds of his sentence as it was a descretionary sentence, with a 25 rec - In 1988 life sentence prisoners were afforded "mantotory" sentences aswell, but not when JB was sentenced.

[mike tesko]

Mike - I see youre cloudy brain is at it again !!!

Mike lets pretend you own a rifle - how many silencers would you own ?

There was ONE rifle, and ONE silencer.

MIke, the person who commited this crime, broke into the house, and was disturbed by Mr Bamber. A fight/struggle took place and eventually Mr bamber was shot dead.
The killer then went upstairs, shot Mrs bamber in her bed, then at the rear bedroom he shot the twins, and lastly the daughter.
He then left the gun on her body, arranged the bible at appropiate chapter, and left.

There was no blood of any significance on or in the silencer, because it was not used.

Mr bamber was shot dead first, there is no other way. The killer could not of killed everyone else first as Mr Bamber would of had time to get any one of his 12 bores, .410 or any other weapon and fight back, as it was he fought with the only thing he had, himself.

If you brush away all the chaff and what if's, what abouts, and perhaps you are left with a simple answer - either jeremy bamber killed his family, or someone else did outside the family. That is what the courts have always concidered, and whilst there is no 3rd person in the frame, they are left with only one answer.

"Courting" the press is not always a good idea - "Doth he complain too loud" - Had JB pled guilty he would of been out now, possibly after 2/3rds of his sentence as it was a descretionary sentence, with a 25 rec - In 1988 life sentence prisoners were afforded "mantotory" sentences aswell, but not when JB was sentenced.

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Get your facts right...

[mb1]

Look up what Exhibit DB/1 was, or could have been (PC David Bird)), and take into account the fact that he took possession of several exhibits from the scene, including DB/2, DB/3, DB/4, DB/5, DB/6, DB/7,  DB/8 and DB/9...

Was DB/1 a silencer which came into the possession of PC David Bird, who took pictures of it, before it was submitted to the lab' ion 30th August 1985?

Mike, still following the silencers...
Has 'the file' been officially asked to identify the exhibits DB1 etc?

[mike tesko]

Look up what Exhibit DB/1 was, or could have been (PC David Bird)), and take into account the fact that he took possession of several exhibits from the scene, including DB/2, DB/3, DB/4, DB/5, DB/6, DB/7,  DB/8 and DB/9...

Was DB/1 a silencer which came into the possession of PC David Bird, who took pictures of it, before it was submitted to the lab' ion 30th August 1985?

Mike, still following the silencers...
Has 'the file' been officially asked to identify the exhibits DB1 etc?

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Over the week-end I will try to gather as many documents relating to the silencers, which I have in my possession, to show how the exhibit references have been altered with a view to making out a false case that all these different silencers, were subsequently merged into one and the same silencer...

Perhaps this image may be of some help in helping you and others to understand how some of these three silencers could have been different internally?

[horseydave]

MIke, get youre facts right.

The shotgun was at sotherbys (being sold ?)
2 x sound moderators were found at davids
i gun was at the repairers in colchester
and
the rifle was on shelias body

You posted that, now if you are a man you will appoligies NOW

You have lost all credibility and i will invite the members of this site to decide for themselves

DO NOT TAKE US AS IDIOTS

[mike tesko]

MIke, get youre facts right.

The shotgun was at sotherbys (being sold ?)
2 x sound moderators were found at davids
i gun was at the repairers in colchester
and
the rifle was on shelias body

You posted that, now if you are a man you will appoligies NOW

You have lost all credibility and i will invite the members of this site to decide for themselves

DO NOT TAKE US AS IDIOTS

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Shotgun was at Sotherby's?

Well, as you say, leave it up to the others to make up their own minds, so I suppose that shotgun was not at the scene when it was photographed outside the gun cupboard in the downstairs office on 7th August 1985, oh and the witness statements I have got from the police, saying how they searched the gun cupboard on the morning of 7th August 1985, and how they removed the shotgun, is also a pack of lies...

Look at the picture, PC Bird (SOC) took this picture on 7th August 1985, so I don't see how it could have been at Sotherby's, as claimed by you at that time...

If my credibility has been destroyed because I say the shotgun was at the scene, and I produce a photograph which shows the shotgun was at the scene, on 7th August 1985, where does that place you?

You don't have anything at all, to disprove what I have been saying, you don't have any evidence at all to show that two silencers were at Boutflours home and that the police seized them from there, or when?

You need to be speaking with Essex police if you know anything at all about two silencers being at Boutflours house, and give an explanation about how these two silencers found their way into the possession of the police prior to 11th September 1985...

Based on what you have been saying, you know full well that there were three different silencers, not just the one....

[mb1]

Re this picture

Can we clarify this picture - this looks like an understairs cupboard, NOT a gun cupboard that is a condition for licence.

I'll try and check licence conditions pre 85.

[Pete0001]

I think what is meant by Gun cupboard is it was sometimes where the guns got put (and I realise that doesnt follow what the license requires.)

I have a tax disc holder on my bike, but I often just leave it in my wallet... not meant to and traffic wardens would pull me up for it... but it still happens non the less.

The Mrs has a cassarole dish that she grows plants in... its really meant for cassaroles.. but we keep plants in it. These things often happen. 

[simong]

The Mrs has a cassarole dish that she grows plants in... its really meant for cassaroles.. but we keep plants in it. These things often happen. 

have had a few but am cracking up at that

[mike tesko]

Re this picture

Can we clarify this picture - this looks like an understairs cupboard, NOT a gun cupboard that is a condition for licence.

I'll try and check licence conditions pre 85.

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Yes, this is a cupboard in the downstairs office where guns and ammunition, and the Bamber silencer, was normally kept...

[mb1]

Re this picture

Can we clarify this picture - this looks like an understairs cupboard, NOT a gun cupboard that is a condition for licence.

I'll try and check licence conditions pre 85.

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Yes, this is a cupboard in the downstairs office where guns and ammunition, and the Bamber silencer, was normally kept...

Apologies, hadn't caught up with other threads!

So, both police and family say they each found a silencer here? Or is one party saying they found a silencer in the 'proper' gun cupboard?