Is there a catch to the windows?

[Lugg]

Hi Lugg   It looks a bit difficult to mount the top of that cellar...without breaking yer neck! Looks a bit iffy to me.   

Yes, especially if you're shaking like a leaf after killing 5 members of your own family.

[Patti]

Yes, especially if you're shaking like a leaf after killing 5 members of your own family.

They say he got in the bathroom window, but this has never really been proven, nor was it proven he got out using the kitchen window....I think they did to much assuming Lugg, without proper evidence to back it up....

[lookout]

Hi Lugg   It looks a bit difficult to mount the top of that cellar...without breaking yer neck! Looks a bit iffy to me.   

Patti some of those old places were lethal if there was dry rot anywhere,,which proved it in the cellar where it was rickety by all accounts,,so unless you knew a place thoroughly,you'd be taking a chance where you set foot---------------------or you'd vanish. I'd have said that the cellar was out of bounds.

[lookout]

Sash windows,unless maintained,,were,or could be dodgy and nobody would attempt to escape through them,,nor enter by them either,,as they have a habit of sticking partway up or down and won't budge without a bit of  "wiggling " to get them  on an even keel.

[Patti]

Patti some of those old places were lethal if there was dry rot anywhere,,which proved it in the cellar where it was rickety by all accounts,,so unless you knew a place thoroughly,you'd be taking a chance where you set foot---------------------or you'd vanish. I'd have said that the cellar was out of bounds.

Hi Lookout   It looks a bit iffy to me.  If someone was to go through that window they would have to have trodden on that dodgy cellar cover....

But, there could be doors beneath that, but that wall looks very damp to me....We also need to know when that picture was taken....Right I am off, I can't keep my eyes open...Night all...Night Lookout...Xxxxx

[Alias]

They say he got in the bathroom window, but this has never really been proven, nor was it proven he got out using the kitchen window....I think they did to much assuming Lugg, without proper evidence to back it up....

I agree. It does not look safe at all, besides, an intruder would risk making noise, especially in the dark. Of course, as Bridget says, we don´t know when the photo was taken. Jeremy did say he entered the house through that window after the murders - what time of the day was that?

[lookout]

I'd say that the cellar was covered for a purpose,,,,so that nobody would unwittingly step on it and land on the concrete base at the bottom. It would have been a liability otherwise for those who didn't know it was there.

[Bridget]

They say he got in the bathroom window, but this has never really been proven, nor was it proven he got out using the kitchen window....I think they did to much assuming Lugg, without proper evidence to back it up....

As someone (Hartley?) has pointed out before, the prosecution didn't have to prove that he did enter through that window that particular night, they only had to show that he could have done. See paragraph 286 of the appeal judgment. Jeremy himself admitted to having gained entry to he house via that window both before and after the murders, so any discussion of whether he could have done is moot.

[maggie]

Hi Lookout   It looks a bit iffy to me.  If someone was to go through that window they would have to have trodden on that dodgy cellar cover....

But, there could be doors beneath that, but that wall looks very damp to me....We also need to know when that picture was taken....Right I am off, I can't keep my eyes open...Night all...Night Lookout...Xxxxx

Hi Patti, I remember this being discussed before and I'm sure Hartley or vidvic said it was just rubbish that had been left on top of the cellar doors, this is I think post Ralph and June but not totally certain about that. .  Whatever it was it certainly wasn't the doors to the cellar.  I am pretty sure about that.

[Lugg]

As someone (Hartley?) has pointed out before, the prosecution didn't have to prove that he did enter through that window that particular night, they only had to show that he could have done. See paragraph 286 of the appeal judgment. Jeremy himself admitted to having gained entry to he house via that window both before and after the murders, so any discussion of whether he could have done is moot.

A bit of a silly billy then wasn't he?

[Lugg]

Sash windows,unless maintained,,were,or could be dodgy and nobody would attempt to escape through them,,nor enter by them either,,as they have a habit of sticking partway up or down and won't budge without a bit of  "wiggling " to get them  on an even keel.

[lookout]

Hahahahaha.Lugg,,,those old sash windows would have taken your head off if one of the weights gave way under the frayed string. Experience counts for a lot,   They were lethal unless renewed.

[Alias]

HAHAHA, four years ago, we were in a hotel in Brighton. It was at the waterfront right beside Brighton Pier. I had opened the old sash window before we went to bed - wanted to hear the waves.  Next morning when I woke up, my husband had gotten up ahead of me. He was sitting in a chair in his coat (it was summer), he had stuffed his pillow into that gaping window. It was raining like shite and very cold.
I asked him why he didn´t just close the window - he said he couldn´t. I got up and closed the window like I had never done anything else in my life....
We don´t have sash windows here, guess that is why he didn´t get it.....

[Caroline R]

Which window did the robin choose? 

[lookout]

HAHAHA, four years ago, we were in a hotel in Brighton. It was at the waterfront right beside Brighton Pier. I had opened the old sash window before we went to bed - wanted to hear the waves.  Next morning when I woke up, my husband had gotten up ahead of me. He was sitting in a chair in his coat (it was summer), he had stuffed his pillow into that gaping window. It was raining like shite and very cold.
I asked him why he didn´t just close the window - he said he couldn´t. I got up and closed the window like I had never done anything else in my life....
We don´t have sash windows here, guess that is why he didn´t get it.....