Apology

[Patti]

It is your favour, but I don't want to derail Tony's thread too much. What you are looking for is this:

I was (I think) looking for when they first examined JB's clothing. So in Hayward's statement I found the reference numbers for those which were ND and DA (that's me retracing, I could have looked elsewhere). I then went to statements looking for dates. I stumbled over something, and I think it was hand written cos I seem to remember having to decipher it, that said something along the lines of "on the [date] I took posession of the following:" and then a list. In that list was something like "catch from the bottom rail of the top sash of the bathroom window", and the thing that struck me was the date was (again, I think) 29th of September, two days before Elliot examined that window. I don't think I dreamt it but it's a possibility.

The 29th was when JB was arrested.  8th to the 9th of September was when the windows extensively examined.  The 29th is a few days before they were examined again which was the 1st of October...

Elliott was the one that examined SC's nightdress.....Not sure if he examined the windows.  ND would be Neil Davidson? The other could be Adams, I'm not sure...

I will have to look at it tomorrow.....Sadly it is bed time 

[Patti]

Sorry Bridget, forgive me, I'm talking rubbish!  (not for the first time)

Hi Neil

JB entered the house through a window on the 16th of August and left a note for BW to secure it.
Forensics did an extensive examination of the windows during the 8th and 9th of August and found nothing. Then on the 1st of October another examination was done on the windows and they found that a catch had been scratched underneath... 

[Bridget]

Hi Neil

JB entered the house through a window on the 16th of August and left a note for BW to secure it.
Forensics did an extensive examination of the windows during the 8th and 9th of August and found nothing. Then on the 1st of October another examination was done on the windows and they found that a catch had been scratched underneath... 

16th September, not August.

[Patti]

16th September, not August.

I stand corrected....lol 

[Bridget]

I stand corrected....lol 

While we're on that subject, it's said in the CoA decision that the note was to tell BW to pay his solicitor. Where is it documented that he left BW a note asking her to secure the window?

[Neil]

Hi Neil

JB entered the house through a window on the 16th of August and left a note for BW to secure it.
Forensics did an extensive examination of the windows during the 8th and 9th of August and found nothing. Then on the 1st of October another examination was done on the windows and they found that a catch had been scratched underneath... 

Thanks Patti,  a member of the BGB may suggest that by leaving this note Jeremy was attempting to illustrate that he couldn't have exited the farm house via the window, on the night of the murders.  It seems a little strange that he entered the house via the window on the 16th Sept, stranger still that he should choose to leave the note.  If he was concerned about leaving the house un secured, why enter via the window?  On the night of the murders, did Jeremy posses a key to the house?  On the night of the murders was there a key hidden outside anywhere?

[grahameb]

Thanks Patti,  a member of the BGB may suggest that by leaving this note Jeremy was attempting to illustrate that he couldn't have exited the farm house via the window, on the night of the murders.  It seems a little strange that he entered the house via the window on the 16th Sept, stranger still that he should choose to leave the note.  If he was concerned about leaving the house un secured, why enter via the window?  On the night of the murders, did Jeremy posses a key to the house?  On the night of the murders was there a key hidden outside anywhere?

I think the spare key in the shed had been lost? Jeremy did not apparently have a key to the property. The key was in the lock on the inside when the cops broke in. If Jeremy left a note to get the cath mended, then it must mean that he had broken it in entering the property to get his passport? I wonder why he didn't just ask Ann Eaton for the key?

[Bridget]

The 29th was when JB was arrested.  8th to the 9th of September was when the windows extensively examined.  The 29th is a few days before they were examined again which was the 1st of October...

Elliott was the one that examined SC's nightdress.....Not sure if he examined the windows.  ND would be Neil Davidson? The other could be Adams, I'm not sure...

I will have to look at it tomorrow.....Sadly it is bed time 

Elliot examined the windows. From the 2002 appeal:

On the 1 October 1985 Brian Elliott a forensic scientist examined the window catch and surrounding area of the downstairs bathroom/toilet sash window. He noticed that the brass catch had been scratched on the inner edge and that there was damage to the white paintwork on the adjacent faces of the top of the bottom sash and the bottom of the top sash. The white paint on the outside of the window including the outer face of the top of the bottom sash appeared clean and fresh.

See what I mean?

[grahameb]

Elliot examined the windows. From the 2002 appeal:

On the 1 October 1985 Brian Elliott a forensic scientist examined the window catch and surrounding area of the downstairs bathroom/toilet sash window. He noticed that the brass catch had been scratched on the inner edge and that there was damage to the white paintwork on the adjacent faces of the top of the bottom sash and the bottom of the top sash. The white paint on the outside of the window including the outer face of the top of the bottom sash appeared clean and fresh.

See what I mean?

Its a window for goodness sake. Show me a window that is in use every day that is not scratched in some way.

[Bridget]

Its a window for goodness sake. Show me a window that is in use every day that is not scratched in some way.

I think you're missing the point

[-Harters-]

It was Mick (Michael) Ainsley and Doug (Douglas) Adams.

I'd say DA referred to Adams, unless there is a DJA out there somewhere.

[grahameb]

I think you're missing the point

Probaby. But then I don't possess your level of perspicacity.

[Bridget]

Found it... Ron Cook's statement dated 24th October:



Am I being thick? If he took possession of the catch on the 27th of September, what was Elliot looking at on the 1st of October?

[-Harters-]

DA actually seems to refer to DC David Ashenden.

[Bridget]

DA actually seems to refer to DC David Ashenden.

He's a new one on me... I don't know how you find these things.