journey from whf to goldhanger

[Neil]

Hi Steve, I'm kind of with you, until we get to the bit when Julie realises, very quickly, that he has carried out the deed.  Besotted or not, tired of teacher training or not, any right minded individual would have been straight down the cop shop to tell all.  The fact that she didn't, together with the fact that she was a thief and a liar, means her story should be treated with great caution.

[Steve_uk]

No,it means she was greedy and swept away with the spirit of the times which was one of the hallmarks of Thatcherism for anyone who lived through the period as I did.

As I said before she doesn't come out of this smelling with roses,but she was under pressure from her job and had been to the doctor to get some pills. They say that love is blind and maybe Julie just couldn't see what kind of a man he was.

In hindsight of course she should have gone to the Police but in her mind that meant losing the man she loved. One could also say Sheila should have received the proper psychiatric help,June should not have called Sheila the "devil's child",and Colin should not have left his sons at the farm..

[Neil]

No,it means she was greedy and swept away with the spirit of the times which was one of the hallmarks of Thatcherism for anyone who lived through the period as I did.

As I said before she doesn't come out of this smelling with roses,but she was under pressure from her job and had been to the doctor to get some pills. They say that love is blind and maybe Julie just couldn't see what kind of a man he was.

In hindsight of course she should have gone to the Police but in her mind that meant losing the man she loved. One could also say Sheila should have received the proper psychiatric help,June should not have called Sheila the "devil's child",and Colin should not have left his sons at the farm..

Yes, but for all those reasons you have stated, her reputation and therefore her evidence are tarnished. 

[Steve_uk]

This was brought out by the Defence and it was one of the few areas where they did a reasonable job. It's not as if Jeremy's dislike,some might say hatred for his family was some kind of a secret. As I have said Julie's testimony to Stan Jones reads well. I just don't see it as an eclectic mix of truth about her professional life and a tissue of lies regarding the private sphere.

[mike tesko]

No,it means she was greedy and swept away with the spirit of the times which was one of the hallmarks of Thatcherism for anyone who lived through the period as I did.

As I said before she doesn't come out of this smelling with roses,but she was under pressure from her job and had been to the doctor to get some pills. They say that love is blind and maybe Julie just couldn't see what kind of a man he was.

In hindsight of course she should have gone to the Police but in her mind that meant losing the man she loved. One could also say Sheila should have received the proper psychiatric help,June should not have called Sheila the "devil's child",and Colin should not have left his sons at the farm..

History shows, that other people influenced what Mugford said, first there was her friend, and then she fell under the influence of DS "Stan" Jones (who as we have seen and been told, was the only officer who thought Jeremy had something to do with it right from the outset)? It cannot be just a coincidence that whilst under the direct influence of DS Jones, that she changed her story to fit the developing circumstances surrounding Jeremys arrest, interviews, release on bail, re-arrest, incarceration on remand, and the ordeal of the trial. I mean, when somebody who was so bias is interviewing Mugford about 30 times or more, he was bound to influence what she said because of his own views. Mugford would have said anything to get away with being charged with a series of criminal offences, with the threat of losing her job, and of course she was well up for making a few thousand out of the press for any story they wished to publish involving one or more of her accounts...

[Roch]

I think I have asked on the open forum four times about the pictures drawn by the boys. Every time I have asked I have been ignored.

AJ, apologies if I've missed your questions.  I have enjoyed reading your views on the book review thread which is an excellent iea / thread.  Please keep up with your contribution