Phone call to police

[ngb1066]

He may have avoided the whole life tariff (or maybe not) but she didn't know he was going to get that anyway. I don't think hiring a hitman would have avoided a life sentance, but maybe NGB could help clear that up.

Hiring a hitman still consitutes murder, and therefore a mandatory life sentence would follow a conviction.

[Jane]

Name on the door: PSYCHO THE RAPIST. Ooops I mean PSYCHOTHERAPIST.

Grahame!!! What are you on today and please may I have some!!!

[Bridget]

Hiring a hitman still consitutes murder, and therefore a mandatory life sentence would follow a conviction.

Thank you.

[Jane]

Hiring a hitman still consitutes murder, and therefore a mandatory life sentence would follow a conviction.

Would that be a "We'll consider the possibility of parole after X years" type of life sentence or a "We'll throw away the key on this one" type of life sentence?

[ngb1066]

Would that be a "We'll consider the possibility of parole after X years" type of life sentence or a "We'll throw away the key on this one" type of life sentence?

I think hiring a hitman would haver been considered just as serious as committing the murders directly, therefore it would have resulted in a whole life tarrif.

[lookout]

I think hiring a hitman would haver been considered just as serious as committing the murders directly, therefore it would have resulted in a whole life tarrif.

Hi ngb,,,so let's say a hitman was involved ( as JM allegedly had said ) then why wasn't she made an accessory if this was/is to be believed.? As today,,she would have been imprisoned by asscociation.

[Jane]

I think hiring a hitman would haver been considered just as serious as committing the murders directly, therefore it would have resulted in a whole life tarrif.

Thanks for that, ngb. I'm surprised that the hiring of a hitman, who ultimately make the decision about whether the crime is committed, carries the same weight of sentence as the crimes carried out by Hindly and Brady, the Wests, Peter Sucliffe and Ian Huntley, and I feel perfectly certain that JM wouldn't have known this, either.(I of course realize  that the Wests and Huntley were yet to commit the atrocities that put them behind bars)Nevertheless, I bow to superior knowledge.

[ngb1066]

Hi ngb,,,so let's say a hitman was involved ( as JM allegedly had said ) then why wasn't she made an accessory if this was/is to be believed.? As today,,she would have been imprisoned by asscociation.

Julie Mugford could have been charged as an accessory to murder.  However, the decision was taken at the highest level (DPP) not to charge her and to give her immunity on the basis that she gave evidence for the prosecution.

 

[lookout]

Hi Lookout - I don't buy the hit man 'theory' at all! What? You just blatantly go up to someone and ask them to kill your entire family - including two young children and obviously the first person you ask say's yes? Otherwise there would have been other people coming forward to say they had been approached. And the News of the World would have been full of stories for would be hit men telling of how 'Evil Jeremy offered a measly £2,000 quid to slaughter his entire family'. However, the guilty gang will say that because she 'offered' to testify against him, she wasn’t charged.

Hi Caroline. I don't believe anything other than Sheila carried out the killings,then committed suicide.

[mike tesko]

Mugford wasn't charged with being an accessory because the police know what she had to say had no truth to it, she was just there to fill in the gaps to try and get Jeremy arrested and convicted in connection with the deaths. She would have said anything, and she did, it was irrelevant whether what she said at one time or another was proven or disproved, police would not prosecute her because she was worth more to the prosecutions case, than any desire to prosecute her for being a criminal type...

[mike tesko]

Mugford wasn't charged with being an accessory because the police know what she had to say had no truth to it, she was just there to fill in the gaps to try and get Jeremy arrested and convicted in connection with the deaths. She would have said anything, and she did, it was irrelevant whether what she said at one time or another was proven or disproved, police would not prosecute her because she was worth more to the prosecutions case, than any desire to prosecute her for being a criminal type...

In my view, Mugford was not a grass, she was / is a conspirator...

[Jane]

Hi Lookout - I don't buy the hit man 'theory' at all! What? You just blatantly go up to someone and ask them to kill your entire family - including two young children and obviously the first person you ask say's yes? Otherwise there would have been other people coming forward to say they had been approached. And the News of the World would have been full of stories for would be hit men telling of how 'Evil Jeremy offered a measly £2,000 quid to slaughter his entire family'. However, the guilty gang will say that because she 'offered' to testify against him, she wasn’t charged.

Hello Caroline. I have real difficulty in getting my head round £2000. As far back as 1985 it was a paltry amount. Whether mor or less was offered for the adults is irrelevant, it still only averages at £400 per person, which, if the possible costs of petrol, train fare or overnight stay into consideration, it would hardly be worth getting out of bed for. One imagines that numerous hitmen weren't fighting over the offer. The other thing is, where and how would Jeremy have known how to make contact with such a person, other than in his dreams of being seen as a bigshot?

[grahameb]

Hello Caroline. I have real difficulty in getting my head round £2000. As far back as 1985 it was a paltry amount. Whether mor or less was offered for the adults is irrelevant, it still only averages at £400 per person, which, if the possible costs of petrol, train fare or overnight stay into consideration, it would hardly be worth getting out of bed for. One imagines that numerous hitmen weren't fighting over the offer. The other thing is, where and how would Jeremy have known how to make contact with such a person, other than in his dreams of being seen as a bigshot?

The story is of course "unbelievable" and it was rejected by the prosecution just as the rest of her swtory should have been.

[mike tesko]

Exactly! Where indeed - the rumour that Matthew McDonald was a 'mercenary' made him the perfect target for gossip mongers and I believe this is where JM got her hitman story from! I have to wonder also if the seed was planted by the family and it was embroidered into the elaborate tapestry of hearsay and conjecture we have today!

If my memory serves me right, I think the idea that Jeremy could have paid someone £2000 to carry out the murders was borne out of the fact that whilst Jeremy was touring New Zealand or Australia , or somewhere like that, he got himself into a spot of financial difficulty and he had to contact his parents and ask them to send him some money out so that he could buy a ticket to fly back to England, or something like that? I believe that June sent about £2000 out to Jeremy, and although it was used to enable Jeremy to get back to the UK, Mugford picked up on this amount and started spreading misinformation that this was the money Jeremy could have paid to a hit man to carry out the murders?

[Jane]

If my memory serves me right, I think the idea that Jeremy could have oaid someone £2000 to carry out the murders was borne out of the fact that whilst Jeremy was touring New Zealand or Australia , or somewhere like that, he got himself into a spot of financial difficulty and he had to contact his parents and ask them to send him some money out so that he could buy a ticket to fly back to England, or something like that? I believe that June sent about £2000 out to Jeremy, and although it was used to enable Jeremy to get back to the UK, Mugford picked up on this amount and started spreading misinformation that this was the money Jeremy could have paid to a hit man to carry out the murders?

Mike, how did she think he got back to England, flying carpet?