Phone call to police

[andrea]

There seems to be an indentation on Sheilas pillow, she could have been laying on top of the covers instead of under them.

[Neil]

How do we know that her bed had not been slept in?

[Bridget]

There seems to be an indentation on Sheilas pillow, she could have been laying on top of the covers instead of under them.

There's no reason she couldn't have been under them either, they're pulled down from the pillow area and not everyone flings back the covers when they get out of bed.

[Bridget]

It's not. The quilt has slid down the bed and is rucked on the floor at the foot end.

[lookout]

No, Lookout. He was cocky and arrogant and thought he would get off. Hence "that is what you have to establish" did him no favours that one!

Andrea,,,there aren't many 24 year olds in a good financial position who aren't cocky and arrogant. Still, it doesn't make them murderers though.

[Bridget]

No one is suggesting she had a gun in her face whilst in her bed.

[maggie]

I'm just wondering, wouldn't JB's plan to stealthily creep into WHF by way of a window in the middle of the night, be somewhat hampered by the fact that firstly - they had a dog (at night dogs bark if a pin drops) and secondly - as Sheila's bed hadn't been slept in; she must have been up and about.

Hi Caroline, I have queried this before, surely Crispy would have reacted somehow to a visitor through the window at 3 am?  I don't have dogs but I would have thought there would have been some reaction?  Criispy didnt like Jeremy, why didn't he attack him, bite him that night if Jeremy was harming the family?

[andrea]

Andrea,,,there aren't many 24 year olds in a good financial position who aren't cocky and arrogant. Still, it doesn't make them murderers though.

But JB had robbed the caravan park, hadnt he. If he robbed it to show holes in security why didnt he give it back. No it doesnt make him a murderer, but it shows a motive as to why he did murder his family. Greed.

[andrea]

No one is asnwering the point about the dog either!

The dog knew Bamber, why would it bark?

[-Harters-]

You're right when you say that the officers first on the scene were not influenced by hearsay evidence when forming their opinions.  To what extent was there dissent?

Bizarrely, Mike won't post the witness statements of PC Myall, PS Bews and PC Saxby, the first officers on the scene.

I'd suggest that their account of the incident is of utmost importance if people are actually interested in seeking the truth.

In fact, the reluctance to post them becomes increasingly strange when they become central characters in several of Mikes conspiracy theories.

[maggie]

The dog knew Bamber, why would it bark?

Are you certain about this?  I am curious, I really dont know but dogs get excited and bark when people they know turn up.  Surely Crispy would have done something?

[lookout]

No one is asnwering the point about the dog either!

Caroline,,,I'd mentioned the dog earlier,,that if Jeremy had got in through a window,,the dog would have alerted the family and I'm sure Nevill or Sheila would have been ready with a rifle. Jeremy himself could have been shot if that had been the case. This is why I say he didn't do it.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Caroline, I have queried this before, surely Crispy would have reacted somehow to a visitor through the window at 3 am?  I don't have dogs but I would have thought there would have been some reaction?  Criispy didnt like Jeremy, why didn't he attack him, bite him that night if Jeremy was harming the family?

These are the White House Farm Murders,not Agatha Christie's "Elephants Can Remember"..

[maggie]

Caroline,,,I'd mentioned the dog earlier,,that if Jeremy had got in through a window,,the dog would have alerted the family and I'm sure Nevill or Sheila would have been ready with a rifle. Jeremy himself could have been shot if that had been the case. This is why I say he didn't do it.

I would have thought Jeremy would have had to shoot the dog because you would expect the dog to attack the killer.  Even a small dog would have a good go you would have thought.  It's a mystery how the dog survived really and why there is no sign of attack on either Sheila or Jeremy.

[andrea]

Dogs can yap for allsorts of reasons. All Bamber had to do was say the dogs name quietly, the dog would have recognised his voice and shut up. I do it with my dog, I half whisper and half say her name, then she shuts up.