Phone call to police

[andrea]

She's been too long with the BGB. She used to hold a reasonable argument. All of a sudden she developed BGB blinkers.

Whats BGB ? Im not blinkered, Grahame.

I changed my mind, thats all.

[Steve_uk]

So wouldn't say that if Jeremy had dialed 999 he would have sounded more convincing to the police? I'm just trying to work out what difference it would have made if he had dialed 999? I think the argument that he didn't dial 999 is just a red herring put out by the BGB. What in fact does it prove if he did or didn't dial 999?

Grahame the suspicion is that he did not want two phone calls to the 999 number(one from White House Farm and the other from Goldhanger) as it was possible that the calls may have been traceable by the BT exchange,and therefore it would have come out that they were made from the same location,and same voice.

[Roch]

No evidence points to Sheila!

Then how on earth could another senior detective assigned to review the case evidence, as late as 6th September and reporting to the top brass of Essex Constabulary, conclude that Sheila was indeed culpable?  if there is no evidence that points towards Sheila, that is because everything was done to make it point against Bamber.  That in iteself cannot be achieved without the concealment of the evidence that pointed towards Sheila.

[Neil]

I used to think Bamber was innocent, Neil.

No evidence points to Sheila! Raining again, just for a change.

Hi Andrea, it's gonna rain here any minute I'm sure!  I try not to complain about the weather because I actually quite appreciate the variation we get but......this persistent rain is genuinely really pi*sing me off now!  Anyway, rant over.  Was there one thing that changed your view, regarding JB's guilt? Or just a culmination of things?

[grahameb]

Grahame the suspicion is that he did not want two phone calls to the 999 number(one from White House Farm and the other from Goldhanger) as it was possible that the calls may have been traceable by the BT exchange,and therefore it would have come out that they were made from the same location,and same voice.

But it was proved anyway that he dialed the police from his home anyway. So I can't see any difference if he had phoned 999 or the police station?

[susan]

Hi mags  in the little Yorkshire village where I was brought you we had a church a few yards from the house which had a clock on the steeple so when we wanted to know the time we just opened the door and looked out.  When it was dark my Dad had to nip to the local pub to get the time

[boheme]

Grahame the suspicion is that he did not want two phone calls to the 999 number(one from White House Farm and the other from Goldhanger) as it was possible that the calls may have been traceable by the BT exchange,and therefore it would have come out that they were made from the same location,and same voice.

That is a good point, 999 calls were recorded at that time....

[grahameb]

Hi Andrea, it's gonna rain here any minute I'm sure!  I try not to complain about the weather because I actually quite appreciate the variation we get but......this persistent rain is genuinely really pi*sing me off now!  Anyway, rant over.  Was there one thing that changed your view, regarding JB's guilt? Or just a culmination of things?

All evidence points to Sheila and all officers on the soc that day thought so. These were all experienced police officers and it was their observation that all evidence pointed to Sheila. Rather no forensic evidence points to Jeremy. That is the point that should be emphasised. But the way Andrea used to think that Jeremy was innocent until she became involved secretly with horsey dave of the BGB.

[lookout]

Then how on earth could another senior detective assigned to review the case evidence, as late as 6th September and reporting to the top brass of Essex Constabulary, conclude that Sheila was indeed culpable?  if there is no evidence that points towards Sheila, that is because everything was done to make it point against Bamber.  That in iteself cannot be achieved without the concealment of the evidence that pointed towards Sheila.

Hi Roch,,of course it was Sheila. I won't be moved from that. Nothing points toward Jeremy having done it at all.

[grahameb]

That is a good point, 999 calls were recorded at that time....

And Mikes logs show that all other calls were being monitored also as Bamber was under surveilance by the police for his drugs activities. So they had all records.

[andrea]

Wrong, Grahame.

It was a culmination of things, it was nothing to do with Horsey Dave.
I have explained before, you cant have taken note.

[grahameb]

That is a good point, 999 calls were recorded at that time....

And if Jeremy had dialed 999 that would have given him a greater alibi because all 999 calls wrre monitored. He phoned from home remember.

[grahameb]

Wrong, Grahame.

It was a culmination of things, it was nothing to do with Horsey Dave.
I have explained before, you cant have taken note.

Well it certainly wasn't a fair weighing up of evidence. bad communications corrupt good manners. Have you ever heard of that saying?

[andrea]

Hi Andrea, it's gonna rain here any minute I'm sure!  I try not to complain about the weather because I actually quite appreciate the variation we get but......this persistent rain is genuinely really pi*sing me off now!  Anyway, rant over.  Was there one thing that changed your view, regarding JB's guilt? Or just a culmination of things?

It was a culmination of things, Neil. :D

[andrea]

Well it certainly wasn't a fair weighing up of evidence. bad communications corrupt good manners. Have you ever heard of that saying?

Grahame, i changed my mind, its as simple as that really.

I fail to see what the big deal is