Phone call to police

[susan]

Hi mags  not sure my Dad had a watch certainly not whilst I was living at home My other half takes his off at night and leaves it on the bedside cabinet then without fail when he rises in the morning he takes it through to the kitchen puts it on the worktop goes for his shower then comes back for the watch.  What a performance.  Now you know why  I am nuts

[maggie]

Had Jeremy admitted to smoking Cannabis on the night in question?

I believe Jeremy was a regular smoker so its probably how he relaxed but even if he didnt hed still find it difficult to wake in such circumstances. Also why choose to stay up all night and murder your family when your knackered from 3or4 days harvesting. I would have thought that was completely irrational.

[Neil]

You can bet your life no prints/tests were done on the watch,,,nor the kitchen top,nor the big " bloodied " hand mark on Sheilas' nightie. ( which was probably Nevills,trying to reach out to his daughter. )

Was there a big bloodied hand mark on the nightie?  If so, what was the official explanation for this?

[Steve_uk]

Steve jeremy had worked 15 hours in the fields,got home about 10 watched bit of tv, maybe a beer no doubt a joint or two and collapsed into bed.At 3am he would be in his deepest sleep and the phone rings.Its surprising maybe that he woke enough to answer it.It takes time to sort our thoughts and his head would be slow at first.  Hed heard it all before but slowly came round.Got up maybe tripped over on something, searched for some clothes.You know the scenario we've all been there. The truth is we all tend to move slowly in these situations but for sone reason Jeremy is supposed to have reacted like a robot and turned into action man. Hes just a human being with human responses.

I can understand that maggie but if he's so worn out why telephone Julie Mugford first? He also makes a call to her at 6am in a call box in the village,suggesting that Julie has an importance to him which is inconsistent with the several people on this site who wish to rubbish the status of her in this whole affair.

[grahameb]

Morning Mike. I don't know how this sits with you but IMO, had Neville been shot when he phoned Jeremy, his wording would surely have been other than it was. He would have been less concerned that Sheila HAD the gun, than, that having demonstrated she could use it once, might use it again. "I've been shot. Come quick/get help" come to mind as more appropriate.

Well I'm not sure Ralph was in a position to select the best phase to use so that it sounded better to Jeremy?

[andrea]

I believe Jeremy was a regular smoker so its probably how he relaxed but even if he didnt hed still find it difficult to wake in such circumstances. Also why choose to stay up all night and murder your family when your knackered from 3or4 days harvesting. I would have thought that was completely irrational.

It wasnt irrational that he stayed up all night after murdering his family, for him it was worth the effort. He believed he would be a rich man, everything would now pass to him.

[Neil]

I believe Jeremy was a regular smoker so its probably how he relaxed but even if he didnt hed still find it difficult to wake in such circumstances. Also why choose to stay up all night and murder your family when your knackered from 3or4 days harvesting. I would have thought that was completely irrational.

I have found that smoking cannabis, made me feel anxious and paranoid.  Not at all relaxing!

[lookout]

I believe Jeremy was a regular smoker so its probably how he relaxed but even if he didnt hed still find it difficult to wake in such circumstances. Also why choose to stay up all night and murder your family when your knackered from 3or4 days harvesting. I would have thought that was completely irrational.

My belief is that had it been Jeremy,,he'd have been shot,,either as a frightener,or as an intention to wound. Either Nevill,,or even Sheila would have done so,on hearing a " noise ",or the dog barking would have alerted one of them that someone was around.
So saying,,as Maggie has already said,,that Jeremy didn't have a mark on his body,,as said by JM,,,and she'd have been the first to report if there had been.

[maggie]

Hi mags  not sure my Dad had a watc ;Dh certainly not whilst I was living at home My other half takes his off at night and leaves it on the bedside cabinet then without fail when he rises in the morning he takes it through to the kitchen puts it on the worktop goes for his shower then comes back for the watch.  What a performance.  Now you know why  I am nuts

SusieI think thats why all women end up nuts! Fortunately my other half doesnt wear a watch so Im spared that performance but there are many others!

[grahameb]

Lookout let's assume for sake of argument that Jeremy has just received the call from his father to say Sheila had got hold of a gun and gone crazy. How can one possibly not take that call seriously? He had left a loaded rifle in the kitchen only a few hours ago. The first thing he does is telephone Julie Mugford. He then looks around in the Yellow Pages for the Chelmsford number,wastes ten minutes,then it's his calm public schoolboy voice initially as he gives his name and location,then it's back to the "you've got to help me" tone. After being put on hold for a few minutes it's then "Christ..you took your time". Then upon being asked who the occupants of the farm are it's back to the public schoolboyspeak:"My father obviously". The whole thing is suspicious,in fact it stinks.

So wouldn't say that if Jeremy had dialed 999 he would have sounded more convincing to the police? I'm just trying to work out what difference it would have made if he had dialed 999? I think the argument that he didn't dial 999 is just a red herring put out by the BGB. What in fact does it prove if he did or didn't dial 999?

[Neil]

It wasnt irrational that he stayed up all night after murdering his family, for him it was worth the effort. He believed he would be a rich man, everything would now pass to him.

Well Andrea, you could never be accused of sitting on the fence!

[andrea]

Well Andrea, you could never be accused of sitting on the fence!

I used to think Bamber was innocent, Neil.

No evidence points to Sheila! Raining again, just for a change.

[maggie]

So wouldn't say that if Jeremy had dialed 999 he would have sounded more convincing to the police? I'm just trying to work out what difference it would have made if he had dialed 999? I think the argument that he didn't dial 999 is just a red herring put out by the BGB. What in fact does it prove if he did or didn't dial 999?

It doesn't prove anything Grahame except that Jeremywasn't thinking clearly which he wouldnt have been if wakened at 3am from a deep sleep 

[grahameb]

Well Andrea, you could never be accused of sitting on the fence!

She's been too long with the BGB. She used to hold a reasonable argument. All of a sudden she developed BGB blinkers.

[lookout]

So wouldn't say that if Jeremy had dialed 999 he would have sounded more convincing to the police? I'm just trying to work out what difference it would have made if he had dialed 999? I think the argument that he didn't dial 999 is just a red herring put out by the BGB. What in fact does it prove if he did or didn't dial 999?

Grahame,,it proves nothing. In fact,back in 1985,it was as broad as it was long if you dialled 999 or not because things didn't move as quickly back then.Life in general was at a far slower pace than it is now.
The phone,the silencer, and all that claptrap just serve to be misleading  issues in this case,,,and as long as those subjects keep cropping up it's becoming more and more unconvincing and a waste of time.
No real thought has gone into this case at all.