Phone call to police

[keepers]

There are hundreds of posts regarding the phone call Jeremy made to police and wether this makes him guilty or innocent. Surely though if Jeremy had committed these murders there would have been NO call to the police. The second that call is made it turns the whole case into a 2 horse race. Jeremy or Sheila, end of story. If he had committed the crime then surely it would have been better to let someone else find the scene the following day. In this scenario it could have been many different people/ reasons. An irate boyfriend? A robbery? An unpaid drug debt? The theoris are endless. Jeremy despite being only young was no fool- he was privately educated! The phone call to the police ( if he had done it) would have been an extremely foolish think to do. Don't you think?

[mike tesko]

Upon calling up Julie Mugford, he told her, "somethings wrong at the farm". These comments expressed in a private conversation between Jeremy and his girlfriend, are inconsistent with him having been planning to kill his family, or that he had just killed his family?

[keepers]

I couldn't agree more mike, it just doesn't add up

[grahameb]

Upon calling up Julie Mugford, he told her, "somethings wrong at the farm". These comments expressed in a private conversation between Jeremy and his girlfriend, are inconsistent with him having been planning to kill his family, or that he had just killed his family?

In fact that forms part of her witness statement that Jeremy had hired a hit man which was later found to be false.

[Neil]

Upon calling up Julie Mugford, he told her, "somethings wrong at the farm". These comments expressed in a private conversation between Jeremy and his girlfriend, are inconsistent with him having been planning to kill his family, or that he had just killed his family?

Very good point!

[boheme]

Very good point!

Did JB not say to Mugford words to the effect that all is going well, there is trouble at WHF - that makes it somewhat different....

Also if the call to his house from WHF was logged how else could he explain that phone call ? Maybe that was a big mistake on the part of the killer and JB had to subsequently try and explain it by telling Police that it was his Father that made the call in an attempt to explain how a call was made from a house full of corpses....

[lookout]

There are hundreds of posts regarding the phone call Jeremy made to police and wether this makes him guilty or innocent. Surely though if Jeremy had committed these murders there would have been NO call to the police. The second that call is made it turns the whole case into a 2 horse race. Jeremy or Sheila, end of story. If he had committed the crime then surely it would have been better to let someone else find the scene the following day. In this scenario it could have been many different people/ reasons. An irate boyfriend? A robbery? An unpaid drug debt? The theoris are endless. Jeremy despite being only young was no fool- he was privately educated! The phone call to the police ( if he had done it) would have been an extremely foolish think to do. Don't you think?

Hi Keepers,,,in a police statement,,,it said that they,,,the police,had received a call from a " young " man.
This means that Jeremy did phone,,as there is a difference in the tone of a man in his 60's and a man in his early 20's. Nevills' voice,under the circumstances,would have sounded desperate too.

And no,,,if Jeremy had committed the crime,,,he would not have phoned up at all.  Ironically,,,that being the case,it would have been 4 murders and a suicide.

[tonyb]

Did JB not say to Mugford words to the effect that all is going well, there is trouble at WHF - that makes it somewhat different....

Also if the call to his house from WHF was logged how else could he explain that phone call ? Maybe that was a big mistake on the part of the killer and JB had to subsequently try and explain it by telling Police that it was his Father that made the call in an attempt to explain how a call was made from a house full of corpses....

By killer,you mean accomplice?

[lebaleb]

Did JB not say to Mugford words to the effect that all is going well, there is trouble at WHF - that makes it somewhat different....

Also if the call to his house from WHF was logged how else could he explain that phone call ? Maybe that was a big mistake on the part of the killer and JB had to subsequently try and explain it by telling Police that it was his Father that made the call in an attempt to explain how a call was made from a house full of corpses....

I don't think JM said that JB said 'there's trouble at WHF', in her statement she says he said 'Everything is going well, not to worry, there's something wrong at the farm'. Why did the hit man leave the phone off the hook?  Why didn't Jeremy go the whole way and say he heard shots being fired and screaming?

[boheme]

By killer,you mean accomplice?

Yes, I personally believe that JB did not kill his family but he was involved.... I do not think that Sheila killed them, the whole police cover-up theory is to complicated in my opinion, I think the killer escaped while the Police and Jeremy were on the scene, I think it was him Bewes saw in the window and also he was the scruffy person seen that morning..... however I stand to be corrected when we see the photo Mike has of Sheila on the bed....

[boheme]

I don't think JM said that JB said 'there's trouble at WHF', in her statement she says he said 'Everything is going well, not to worry, there's something wrong at the farm'. Why did the hit man leave the phone off the hook?  Why didn't Jeremy go the whole way and say he heard shots being fired and screaming?

Perhaps leaving the phone off the hook was part of the plan to make it look like 4 murders and a suicide, I do not know...

[lookout]

Yes, I personally believe that JB did not kill his family but he was involved.... I do not think that Sheila killed them, the whole police cover-up theory is to complicated in my opinion, I think the killer escaped while the Police and Jeremy were on the scene, I think it was him Bewes saw in the window and also he was the scruffy person seen that morning..... however I stand to be corrected when we see the photo Mike has of Sheila on the bed....

In what part of the case do you believe that Jeremy was involved,boheme.?

[susan]

Hi lookout  I was thinking perhaps you can help.  If Jeremy had committed the murders at the farm why bother with any phones calls he could have got back to Goldhanger cleaned himself up (got rid of any evidence) gone to bed and waited until some member of staff found the bodies and contacted him he could never have been connected with the murders oh sorry he would not have confessed to Julie of course not a word to anyone.  He would have got away with it.

[lookout]

Hi lookout  I was thinking perhaps you can help.  If Jeremy had committed the murders at the farm why bother with any phones calls he could have got back to Goldhanger cleaned himself up (got rid of any evidence) gone to bed and waited until some member of staff found the bodies and contacted him he could never have been connected with the murders oh sorry he would not have confessed to Julie of course not a word to anyone.  He would have got away with it.

Hi Susan,,,yes,he would have got away with it,,,especially when you read some of the links about Sheila who told Dr Ferguson that she could harm her children,,and could commit suicide,and also kill her family,,among other things that weren't disclosed to anyone under the patient confidentiality act. Nobody knew the extent of her illness,,yet Ferguson knowing this,said in his statement that he " didn't think " she could/would commit suicide.

[lookout]

Hi Susan,,,yes,he would have got away with it,,,especially when you read some of the links about Sheila who told Dr Ferguson that she could harm her children,,and could commit suicide,and also kill her family,,among other things that weren't disclosed to anyone under the patient confidentiality act. Nobody knew the extent of her illness,,yet Ferguson knowing this,said in his statement that he " didn't think " she could/would commit suicide.

Trouble is,,,Susan,that when social services tried to intervene,,instead of them having access via the GP,to her full condition,,when Sheila was approached by the s/s,she told them it was just a minor breakdown. This was after her admittance to St Andrews which was to be her last contact before she died. The s/s wanted to discuss short-term fostering to give her respite. Then when it was also discussed on the night of the murders,,,,it was the last straw as far as Sheila was concerned.