Absent soot from blood tells a story...

[grahameb]

The silencer (which ever one is being referred to) is pretty dodgy evidence anyway and new evidence suggests that the wounds are condusive with a silencer NOT having being used!

Personally I think the silencer evidence is a red herring and I don't believe it was used. (1) Because JB said it was not on the gun when he left it there. (strange that people accept that he left the loaded gun there but they reject his testimony when he said it didn't have the silencer on it? A bit of cherry picking going on there I think) (2) If it was used then it certainly did not good at all because  everyone was awake it seems except the boys. So as far as I can see it is redundant evidence and should never have been accepted as evidence.

[Patti]

Personally I think the silencer evidence is a red herring and I don't believe it was used. (1) Because JB said it was not on the gun when he left it there. (strange that people accept that he left the loaded gun there but they reject his testimony when he said it didn't have the silencer on it? A bit of cherry picking going on there I think) (2) If it was used then it certainly did not good at all because  everyone was awake it seems except the boys. So as far as I can see it is redundant evidence and should never have been accepted as evidence.

Well said Grahame. It is also strange that JB admitted to having left a gun in the first place..He could have easily said..Sheila was ranting and raving that evening and, had no idea where she got my rifle from..last time I used it was last weekend when AP came down....So no idea where the gun was, i think I put it with AP rifle in the Den....? ? ? ? ?

[grahameb]

Well said Grahame. It is also strange that JB admitted to having left a gun in the first place..He could have easily said..Sheila was ranting and raving that evening and, had no idea where she got my rifle from..last time I used it was last weekend when AP came down....So no idea where the gun was, i think I put it with AP rifle in the Den....? ? ? ? ?

It certainly is a warning not to be too helpful to the police in future. Just in case I get blamed for the crime myself.

[Jane]

Personally I think the silencer evidence is a red herring and I don't believe it was used. (1) Because JB said it was not on the gun when he left it there. (strange that people accept that he left the loaded gun there but they reject his testimony when he said it didn't have the silencer on it? A bit of cherry picking going on there I think) (2) If it was used then it certainly did not good at all because  everyone was awake it seems except the boys. So as far as I can see it is redundant evidence and should never have been accepted as evidence.

Grahame, hi and good morning. Cherry picking. Conjecture. Seems to me that much of the original trial was based on it. The only certainty being five dead people. Even now, all these years on, much of what the pro Jeremys' say is regarded by the antis as theories and therefore not acceptable as evidence, but it seems to me that 27 years ago, theories were perfectly acceptable as evidence, because the was no other way of convicting.

[Bridget]

Well said Grahame. It is also strange that JB admitted to having left a gun in the first place..He could have easily said..Sheila was ranting and raving that evening and, had no idea where she got my rifle from..last time I used it was last weekend when AP came down....So no idea where the gun was, i think I put it with AP rifle in the Den....? ? ? ? ?

It's not really strange if you think about it - if he was tring to plant the idea of Sheila having done it in the minds of police it would have assisted in their 'understanding' of what had happened. It would make his story more credible if the gun was easily available to the 'nutter'. Denying any knowledge of the whereabouts of the gun would be more the actions of a guilty person under suspicion, and at that point he wasn't, and he knew he wasn't.

[Jane]

It's not really strange if you think about it - if he was tring to plant the idea of Sheila having done it in the minds of police it would have assisted in their 'understanding' of what had happened. It would make his story more credible if the gun was easily available to the 'nutter'. Denying any knowledge of the whereabouts of the gun would be more the actions of a guilty person under suspicion, and at that point he wasn't, and he knew he wasn't.

Good Morning Bridget, Isn't that as conjectural as saying that the reduction in Sheila's meds resulted in a psychotic episode?

[Bridget]

Good Morning Bridget, Isn't that as conjectural as saying that the reduction in Sheila's meds resulted in a psychotic episode?

Of course, that's why I preceded it with the word 'if'.

[Patti]

It's not really strange if you think about it - if he was tring to plant the idea of Sheila having done it in the minds of police it would have assisted in their 'understanding' of what had happened. It would make his story more credible if the gun was easily available to the 'nutter'. Denying any knowledge of the whereabouts of the gun would be more the actions of a guilty person under suspicion, and at that point he wasn't, and he knew he wasn't.

Morning Bridget, I hope the weather is being kind to you.

I think it is strange, for if it was premeditated he would have gone the whole hog...and said she was being difficult with mum and dad and I left them arguing, but he went to confirm what Colin had said in his statement and, that she was very quiet.

Regarding the rifle, he had no need to set it up, the rifles/gun were rife and all over the place, she could have picked any one of them up....I think he was telling the truth....she was quiet and he did leave the rifle....He also told the police the truth about her illness, he had too...no matter how horrific it sounded she had been diagnosed with a mental illness....On all three occasions he was telling the truth...IMHO...

[Bridget]

Morning Bridget, I hope the weather is being kind to you.

I think it is strange, for if it was premeditated he would have gone the whole hog...and said she was being difficult with mum and dad and I left them arguing, but he went to confirm what Colin had said in his statement and, that she was very quiet.

Regarding the rifle, he had no need to set it up, the rifles/gun were rife and all over the place, she could have picked any one of them up....I think he was telling the truth....she was quiet and he did leave the rifle....He also told the police the truth about her illness, he had too...no matter how horrific it sounded she had been diagnosed with a mental illness....On all three occasions he was telling the truth...IMHO...

Morning! The weather is revolting, thank you for asking...

Remember that it is his case that Sheila was having an episode when she shot them, not just being difficult or argumentative. If he'd said she was already into one then questions would be asked as to why he left.

[lookout]

Morning Bridget, I hope the weather is being kind to you.

I think it is strange, for if it was premeditated he would have gone the whole hog...and said she was being difficult with mum and dad and I left them arguing, but he went to confirm what Colin had said in his statement and, that she was very quiet.

Regarding the rifle, he had no need to set it up, the rifles/gun were rife and all over the place, she could have picked any one of them up....I think he was telling the truth....she was quiet and he did leave the rifle....He also told the police the truth about her illness, he had too...no matter how horrific it sounded she had been diagnosed with a mental illness....On all three occasions he was telling the truth...IMHO...

Good morning Patti,,,,sunny and warm here,washing out.
I think Sheila put the rifle in the window after that first shot to herself,,,then lay on her bed.What happened after that is the mystery,,,as Jeremy was outside with the police when the rifle was spotted on the sill. While Sheila was on top of the bed,,she'd have been semi-conscious,but not really able to have mustered up the energy to have picked up the rifle again to shoot herself a second time. Someone else shot her while she was laying on her bed,,,,to make doubly sure she was dead.!!

[Patti]

Morning! The weather is revolting, thank you for asking...

Remember that it is his case that Sheila was having an episode when she shot them, not just being difficult or argumentative. If he'd said she was already into one then questions would be asked as to why he left.

The point is Bridget, he did not lie, he told the truth. CC and PB confirms this, with their statements....Your last sentence is pure argument for arguments sake.....lol

Who says Sheila had an episode? Was it not documented that she became agitated more so during the night?  Is it not in the doctors report that the other drug wore off after 3 and a half hours....and she became happy and lively again...I can't remember what the other drug was that she was taking...something beginning with A......

Anyway, shower time and off out shopping

Catch you later  :D :D :D

[Patti]

Good morning Patti,,,,sunny and warm here,washing out.
I think Sheila put the rifle in the window after that first shot to herself,,,then lay on her bed.What happened after that is the mystery,,,as Jeremy was outside with the police when the rifle was spotted on the sill. While Sheila was on top of the bed,,she'd have been semi-conscious,but not really able to have mustered up the energy to have picked up the rifle again to shoot herself a second time. Someone else shot her while she was laying on her bed,,,,to make doubly sure she was dead.!!

Morning Lookout, just caught your post...sun trying it's hardest here...lol

I don't go with the bed theory Lookout, for there is no evidence on her to say she stood up at any time, she would have had blood down the front of her nightie...The blood flow runs to her right side, which suggests she was on her right side at some point. Catch you later off shopping...X

[lookout]

Morning Lookout, just caught your post...sun trying it's hardest here...lol

I don't go with the bed theory Lookout, for there is no evidence on her to say she stood up at any time, she would have had blood down the front of her nightie...The blood flow runs to her right side, which suggests she was on her right side at some point. Catch you later off shopping...X

Hi Patti,,,for when you come back....
There must have been some indication that Sheila had some breath left in her body at the stage where she was lying on the bed,,,,so being that you can't perform CPR on someone on a bed,she'd have been lifted onto a hard.even surface,the floor. They put her in the recovery position,on her side,,hence the blood pouring side-ways. Then she was obviously left where she finally died,,between 7 and 9am.
Where that second shot came from,,I don't know for absolute certainty,,,but she may have had a sign of a pulse,albeit a weak one,before the police tried to revive her after the first shot.

[Bridget]

The point is Bridget, he did not lie, he told the truth. CC and PB confirms this, with their statements....Your last sentence is pure argument for arguments sake.....lol

Who says Sheila had an episode? Was it not documented that she became agitated more so during the night?  Is it not in the doctors report that the other drug wore off after 3 and a half hours....and she became happy and lively again...I can't remember what the other drug was that she was taking...something beginning with A......

Anyway, shower time and off out shopping

Catch you later  :D :D :D

I don't recalll seeing a doctors report that said that, but anyway, the other drug (which I also can't remember the name of) was to counteract the effects of the Haldol, which made her drowsy and unco-ordinated. If it wore off that would have made her more drowsy, not more lively.

[lookout]

I don't recalll seeing a doctors report that said that, but anyway, the other drug (which I also can't remember the name of) was to counteract the effects of the Haldol, which made her drowsy and unco-ordinated. If it wore off that would have made her more drowsy, not more lively.

Hi Bridget,,,Sheila didn't like drowsy,,she was a night owl. Early mornings her speciality. Very early.