Absent soot from blood tells a story...

[Patti]

Sorry Bridget,.,but there's no comparison when it comes to splashes of blood on the side of the rifle,,,which must have been more noticeable than a flake,,yet no grouping could be taken.? I don't believe it.

Hi Lookout.

I think the method they used in 1985/86 of grouping the blood is outdated. The only thing they could really identify at the time was a certain blood group and that was group O which could belong to half the Country at the time...This is where the prosecution examination now become weak, with modern methods of DNA.....of which there is no DNA in the silencer that belongs to Sheila.

I think DNA was taken from Sheila's birth mother and Pamela B. But, the tests are inconclusive, there are not enough DNA markers to identify that Sheila's DNA is on the silencer. There was of course one male and female DNA found....but, that again was inconclusive evidence to suggest that that it belonged to Sheila....Nevill or June......As it stands, it would not hold up in court, the evidence is not strong enough for a conviction......in my eyes that is....lol 

[Bridget]

Hi Lookout.

I think the method they used in 1985/86 of grouping the blood is outdated. The only thing they could really identify at the time was a certain blood group and that was group O which could belong to half the Country at the time...This is where the prosecution examination now become weak, with modern methods of DNA.....of which there is no DNA in the silencer that belongs to Sheila.

I think DNA was taken from Sheila's birth mother and Pamela B. But, the tests are inconclusive, there are not enough DNA markers to identify that Sheila's DNA is on the silencer. There was of course one male and female DNA found....but, that again was inconclusive evidence to suggest that that it belonged to Sheila....Nevill or June......As it stands, it would not hold up in court, the evidence is not strong enough for a conviction......in my eyes that is....lol 

The DNA evidence didn't stand up in court, the Court of Appeal threw it out.

They tested for 5 different blood grouping systems, the ABO test is just one of them. One of the 5 tests was inconclusive, but based on the other 4 I think I read that 13% of the population have the  same 4 groups as Sheila.

[Patti]

The DNA evidence didn't stand up in court, the Court of Appeal threw it out.

They tested for 5 different blood grouping systems, the ABO test is just one of them. One of the 5 tests was inconclusive, but based on the other 4 I think I read that 13% of the population have the  same 4 groups as Sheila.

That was 2002 Bridget....10 years ago....Lets bring this back to court and see how it falls...eh? with a jury! 

[Bridget]

That was 2002 Bridget....10 years ago....Lets bring this back to court and see how it falls...eh? with a jury! 

No, the DNA tests were in 2002, the blood grouping tests were in 1986.

[Patti]

No, the DNA tests were in 2002, the blood grouping tests were in 1986.

I am on about the appeal Bridget it was 2002....What blood evidence? There is none! In a court of today, you would lose the battle...whether the appeal failed or not, I am on about today in a court of law...with a good defence JB would walk free....

[Bridget]

I am on about the appeal Bridget it was 2002....What blood evidence? There is none! In a court of today, you would lose the battle...whether the appeal failed or not, I am on about today in a court of law...with a good defence JB would walk free....

I was referring to this comment of yours:

The only thing they could really identify at the time was a certain blood group and that was group O which could belong to half the Country at the time.

Of course there's blood evidence. 

[Patti]

I was referring to this comment of yours:

Of course there's blood evidence. 

Which is? 

[Bridget]

Which is? 

The blood in the silencer...

[Patti]

The blood in the silencer...

And? 

[lookout]

The blood in the silencer...

The blood.
 A mixture of Junes' and Nevills',,along with Sheila/RB,,(who both had the same blood group).
I'd have said it was a difficult result to define the true owner,,so not a true result. Contaminated anyway.

[Bridget]

And? 

And what?

[Bridget]

The blood.
 A mixture of Junes' and Nevills',,along with Sheila/RB,,(who both had the same blood group).
I'd have said it was a difficult result to define the true owner,,so not a true result. Contaminated anyway.

Contaminated by what?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

After Jeremy's trial, Essex police handed two Parker hale silencers back to the relatives, one belonging to David Boutflour, and the other to Robert Woodwis Boutflour. What is so very interesting about these two silencers is how and why they ended up being taken by a police motorcylist to the trial. Why did the prosecution want both these silencers at court, and not the other Parker hale silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeter? It don't make sense police taking control of the two Boutflour silencers, yet for them to ignore the Pargeter silencer that was normally kept at WHF? Something dodgy has been going on with all these silencers. If the jury had known police showed an interest in all these different silencers and that there were three exhibit references purporting to relate to the same silencer, I think the dodgy silencer evidence woild have been rejected by the jury, and thrown out by the trial judge...

You seem so concerned with the David Boutflour silencer, and the Robert Woodwis Boutflour silencer. Not to mention the Anthony Pargeter one. So where was the BAMBER one amongst all this. We all know there was one. So what happened to it?

[Caroline R]

The silencer (which ever one is being referred to) is pretty dodgy evidence anyway and new evidence suggests that the wounds are condusive with a silencer NOT having being used!

[petey]

The silencer (which ever one is being referred to) is pretty dodgy evidence anyway and new evidence suggests that the wounds are condusive with a silencer NOT having being used!

Further tests are still needed to ratify this, as was confirmed in the submissions to the CCRC.