Sheila's feet

[chelmsey]

If he had paid someone to do it,then he WOULD want the evidence to point to Sheila would he not?

[Paul]

If he had paid someone to do it,then he WOULD want the evidence to point to Sheila would he not?

Well if he had paid then the assassin didn't do a good job since she was still alive at 7.30am, someone was still alive and standing near a window after 3.45am and someone was being spoken to in the house at 5.25am

I guess it really comes down to sentencing, what would be the sentence be for hiring a contract killer?

Jeremy could of course also tell us who he hired and sometime in the last 26 years that person might have been caught?

[Kaldin]

If he had paid someone to do it,then he WOULD want the evidence to point to Sheila would he not?

Jeremy? Yes of course, but I was talking about a theoretical third party who was not paid by Jeremy.

[chelmsey]

Sorry Kaldin. I have been considering the third party theory whether friend or foe of JB. I must admit that I am more with the hitman theory.I realise it was no profession style contract killing but........you get what you pay for I suppose!

[Kaldin]

Sorry Kaldin. I have been considering the third party theory whether friend or foe of JB. I must admit that I am more with the hitman theory.I realise it was no profession style contract killing but........you get what you pay for I suppose!

Was there any evidence that Jeremy paid anyone anyway? He had a whole month to do so.

[chelmsey]

Paul. The repercussions are more severe for a person that hires a contract killer than for the person that actually carries out the murder.JB would never admit to hiring a hitman!

[Kaldin]

Paul. The repercussions are more severe for a person that hires a contract killer than for the person that actually carries out the murder.JB would never admit to hiring a hitman!

According to Julie Mugford, that's exactly what Jeremy did - or said he did.

That part of her story is more bizarre than any of it.

[chelmsey]

JBs bank accounts were checked but no unusual transactions were found.However,he was known to have been selling drugs so therefore should have had some ready cash laying around.How much money was it again that JB took from the safe at whf? Where he left an IOU for the secretary?

[chelmsey]

Can anyone remember the amount of money that Jeremy "borrowed" from the safe at whf after the murders? I believe it was £1k. If so,then that is very suspicious!

[Kaldin]

Can anyone remember the amount of money that Jeremy "borrowed" from the safe at whf after the murders? I believe it was £1k. If so,then that is very suspicious!

I don't remember anything about that I'm afraid. There was the burglay at the caravan park in March - is that what you mean?

[chelmsey]

No,not the robbery.This was after the murders.JB borrowed money from the safe and left an IOU for the secretary.She accused him of stealing the money,but later handed the IOU to the police.

[Kaldin]

No,not the robbery.This was after the murders.JB borrowed money from the safe and left an IOU for the secretary.She accused him of stealing the money,but later handed the IOU to the police.

Interesting - I haven't heard about that at all.

[Newbury1]

Paul. The repercussions are more severe for a person that hires a contract killer than for the person that actually carries out the murder.JB would never admit to hiring a hitman!

According to Julie Mugford, that's exactly what Jeremy did - or said he did.

That part of her story is more bizarre than any of it.

Not if it is true - in part.

A  theory -

In my mind, and as previously posted, I can believe in the third party, but only with JB's knowledge.

Having explained to the hitman how to get in the house undetected, JB leaves the loaded gun out for him in the hope that 10 bullets (possibly 11) can kill them all or the hitman also brings his own .22 gun.
Because we do not know the actual start positions of two of the people killed (SC and Ralph) it is difficult to determine what actually happened in each of the rooms, but a wounded Ralph is eventually lead to the kitchen to be killed near the phone. Realising this Ralph puts up a final fight, but sadly to no avail.

The hitman eventually kills all, and makes it look like SC committed suicide to deceive the police, basically what JB was eventually convicted off.

JB is waiting at Goldhanger to receive a call from the hitman to say the deed was done. the hitman leaves the phone of the hook. JB then calls the police later about a "made up" call from his father etc..

This would go someway to explaining the lack of marks on both JB and SC, why JB could appear calm whilst with the police, the battering of Ralph, the clinical murder of the twins, and the final overkill in the dispatching of the adults. 

JB can convincingly claim he was not at whf during the murders.

JB then tests JM by telling her what happened and the name of the hitman (to make her feel more complicit); however JB did not disclose the correct name of the hitman.

JB had friends (I don't know how psychotic) that he could have paid with drugs cash and that person has subsequently "disappeared".

JB could not / cannot disclose a third party as it would do his original / current predicament no good, intstead he is relying on the possible position that he was not actually at whf during the murders.

(IMO)

[Kaldin]

Paul. The repercussions are more severe for a person that hires a contract killer than for the person that actually carries out the murder.JB would never admit to hiring a hitman!

According to Julie Mugford, that's exactly what Jeremy did - or said he did.

That part of her story is more bizarre than any of it.

Not if it is true - in part.

A  theory -

In my mind, and as previously posted, I can believe in the third party, but only with JB's knowledge.

Having explained to the hitman how to get in the house undetected, JB leaves the loaded gun out for him in the hope that 10 bullets (possibly 11) can kill them all or the hitman also brings his own .22 gun.
Because we do not know the actual start positions of two of the people killed (SC and Ralph) it is difficult to determine what actually happened in each of the rooms, but a wounded Ralph is eventually lead to the kitchen to be killed near the phone. Realising this Ralph puts up a final fight, but sadly to no avail.

The hitman eventually kills all, and makes it look like SC committed suicide to deceive the police, basically what JB was eventually convicted off.

JB is waiting at Goldhanger to receive a call from the hitman to say the deed was done. the hitman leaves the phone of the hook. JB then calls the police later about a "made up" call from his father etc..

This would go someway to explaining the lack of marks on both JB and SC, why JB could appear calm whilst with the police, the battering of Ralph, the clinical murder of the twins, and the final overkill in the dispatching of the adults. 

JB can convincingly claim he was not at whf during the murders.

JB then tests JM by telling her what happened and the name of the hitman (to make her feel more complicit); however JB did not disclose the correct name of the hitman.

JB had friends (I don't know how psychotic) that he could have paid with drugs cash and that person has subsequently "disappeared".

JB could not / cannot disclose a third party as it would do his original / current predicament no good, intstead he is relying on the possible position that he was not actually at whf during the murders.

(IMO)

It's possible.

In that case, was the plan always to get Nevill into the kitchen or was that bit a mistake? That raises the issue of why the bedroom telephone was in the kitchen again, and how long it had been there.

Jeremy might have left the gun out but he couldn't be sure that Nevill wouldn't put it away.

If that's what happened, Jeremy must have been a bit fed up that BT couldn't confirm that there had been a call from the farm to his house.

When did the hitman tell Jeremy what had happened? Jeremy allegedly told Julie all about it on the evening of 7th August.

[chelmsey]

Newbury1.............I am inclined to go with a lot of your theory.The only problem I am having is why everyone sustained so many shots apart from Sheila.Im wondering if she could have possible slept through most of it and perhaps got awoken and went into the main bedroom where she sustained her first shot,hence the reason she was "so clean". If she was the last one to be killed,she may not have sustained as many shots because by this time the killer may have got edgy and wanted to flee the scene?